chisel tip

[txcookie]

Do bear razor heads need it?

[Bisch]

I don’t see any way possible to put a chisel tip on a 2 blade head like that? A chisel tip is the type on a head like a thunderhead or muzzy 3-blade.

Bisch


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[txcookie]

my ignorance can be astounding at times but I thought a chisel tip was making the tip like that of a wood chisel?

[Huntschool]

Bish:

Those are trocar tips not chisel tips....... on the Thunderhead and Muzzy.

TXcookie:

You are right except filed from both sides.

Many years ago folks started to file chisel tips on Bear razor heads.  I think, if memory serves me right, there was even some video (old film) of Fred filing a chisel roint on one.  It was thought removing the very pointy tip might prevent it rolling on impact.

Just some thoughts.

[Orion]

Huntschool X2

[Zradix]

I always thought a chisel point was more or less filing the tip straight across.
...not sure if that is what you're asking about.

I think the razorheads look pretty good on the point when new....but after a few sharpenings the point can get to be pretty thin..ie needle point.
When my heads get like that I like to give them what I found to be called a tanto tip..even though it doesn't really look like a tip on any tanto knife I've seen...lol but I can see the similarity.

Anyway..a point something like this...

[Bisch]

Hmm, ok! I guess you can teach an old dog something new! So, what is a tanto tip then. I would be interested in seeing pics of each so I make sure I have my terminology straight. We have always called the T-Head tips chisel tips!

Bisch

[Zradix]

Heck I don't know if I'm right either....lol
The pic I posted above is what I believe is a type of a tanto tip.

I see there are 3 blade "modern style" heads out there that call their tips chisel....certainly not what I thought was called a chisel...more of the tricar or whatever that was mentioned before.

Here's something I pulled off the Asbel testing...not the best pic..but I use it for reference....

[Huntschool]

In the picture Zardix posted above, regardless of name, the last three on the right display what I call a "chisel" tip.

I know that I have some RH's with the tip filed off hidden somewhere in a dark spot in my old stuff.  If I can I'll look for them later today.  As I remember, they worked quite well on the old Bear fiberglass arrows I was shooting off an early Super Kodiak and then later on some 2017 aluminum shafts.

I also seem to recall, many, many moons ago on this site a pretty good discussion regarding the same topic.  I am talking back about 2006 or so.  My memory is failing me like other parts of my body so don't hold me to that date.

My, how times have changed.

[Orion]

In addition to the chisel tip, a lot of folks also just rounded the tip a bit. Of course, either, plus Zradix's tanto shape can be filed into any two-blade head.  Do they need it?  I dunno.  I don't do it to most of my 2-blade heads, regardless of brand.   

[Bvas]

If I recall correctly, the newer production bear razors(with blue ferrul) had a chisel tip from factory.
I also can remember my uncle and some of his hunting buds putting a pretty significant round over on the bear heads. They claimed it would glance off bone better and improve penetration.

[M60gunner]

My SS Bear blue heads have what we called a “chisel” tip. I own some rather pricey chisels but none of them look like a chisel tip on a broadhead. Where the terminology came from? Who knows. But it was one of the first things I was told to do by the “old timers”, get rid of the pointy point.

[two4hooking]

I chisel tip mine.  Have done it with bear, Hunter, and ace heads for many years. Really strengthens the tip. I shoot bhs alot in my rocky yard. Rocks will curl the tip and keep it curling.  Once chiseled they don't curl as easily.

[Red Beastmaster]

I've been rounding my Zwickeys forever.

[mwosborn]

This is from Muzzy's website...

The Trocar HB and HBX both feature 0.35-inch-thick surgically sharp stainless steel mechanical blades that stay tucked in tight to the solid-steel ferrule in flight, but they deploy reliably with a 1 5/8” expandable cutting diameter. The fixed blades are also 0.35-inch thick and have a cutting diameter of 1”. They have an offset for increased accuracy and stability. The total cutting diameter of the HB and HBX is 2 5/8”. The Trocar HB and HBX feature a bone-crushing chisel tip.


I'm like Bisch - was taught this type of point was called a "chisel tip".

[Bisch]

This is from Muzzy's website...

The Trocar HB and HBX both feature 0.35-inch-thick surgically sharp stainless steel mechanical blades that stay tucked in tight to the solid-steel ferrule in flight, but they deploy reliably with a 1 5/8” expandable cutting diameter. The fixed blades are also 0.35-inch thick and have a cutting diameter of 1”. They have an offset for increased accuracy and stability. The total cutting diameter of the HB and HBX is 2 5/8”. The Trocar HB and HBX feature a bone-crushing chisel tip.


I'm like Bisch - was taught this type of point was called a "chisel tip".

Thank you for posting that! Just reaffirms in my little pea brain that I am not crazy after all!!! 

Bisch

[Orion]

Bisch:  You have a good memory.  The fact that Muzzy calls its three or four sided point a chisel tip is a nice marketing phrase, it even resembles a pointed chisel from any one side, but try to use that kind of chisel to shape/shave a piece of wood.  The chisel tip that Bear once made and the filed chisel tip that most folks put on their two- and four-blade heads look like a version of the three on the far right in Zradix's picture. The fact that the hand filed chisel tip been around a lot longer than the "trocar" tip should give it precedence. For what it's worth.   

[mwosborn]

Bisch:  You have a good memory.  The fact that Muzzy calls its three or four sided point a chisel tip is a nice marketing phrase, it even resembles a pointed chisel from any one side, but try to use that kind of chisel to shape/shave a piece of wood.  The chisel tip that Bear once made and the filed chisel tip that most folks put on their two- and four-blade heads look like a version of the three on the far right in Zradix's picture. The fact that the hand filed chisel tip been around a lot longer than the "trocar" tip should give it precedence. For what it's worth.   

I would agree.

[two4hooking]

Doing this to my elk arrows this year:

[kennym]

I rolled the tip back on the off shoulder of the first buck I took with a recurve and an Eskimo . Been putting a squared off end about 1/8" wide filed from both sides ever since.  Don't think it matters on penetration but no more rollovers...   Now what to call it?