How do I get a 650 grain arrow?

[Fredbearjunior]

Other than grizzly stik, how can I get a 650-700 grain carbon arrow? Even with a 340 Easton axis at 11.3 GPI that doesn’t get me anywhere close without putting like 350 up from. I do want extreme FOC but is 300 up front too much? I did see the Easton Axis Dangerous Game arrows are like 16GPI or something. Which aluminum arrows are really heavy, in the 15-18GPI range

[Chain2]

I’m close on my set up. Black Eagle Vintage 350’s 32 1/2” w/ 50grbrass insert and 250 gr head is right around 636 on my scale. Not quite where you want to be but close.

[Friend]

400 gns up front have presented me with no issues other than excessive target wear.


Took a frontal shot on a doe from the [email protected] Big 3 and 100 gn insert...612 gn total....arrow penetrated lengthwise and protruded 6 to 8"s beyond the inner left thigh...she just layed down on the spot...
shot an 18 in 1 Rhinehart 25 arrows/day for six weeks until it was dust...shot a nice 3D round with a bare shaft.

[jrstegner]

There are lots of ways to add weight without changing the spine much. The easiest way is painting the shaft or inserting Paracord or weed eater line into the shaft. I don't know of any aluminum arrows that heavy. A 2020 comes in at 13.5 gpi and a 2219 at 13.8. Douglas fir shafts in 75# dipped with a 150 grain point should come in about 650 or so.  What poundage are you shooting, and what length arrow?

[KSdan]

I am shooting 680 gr.   Heritage 350s.  12 gr x 32.5" = 390.  250 gr. up front.  Fletch + nock = 40gr.

Dan in KS

[Doug_K]

I'm using under spined gold tips, heavy FOC, with a 4" aluminum footing to stiffen it up.
29" GT 500 trad, 50 grain insert, 50 grain 4" aluminum footing , 260 grain broadhead, arrow wraps, 3x4" feathers and plain GT nock.  Came in at 650 or 675, can't recall.

[WESTBROOK]

31" GT trad 400 with 100g insert and 250g point = 645g. plust about 30g for fletch, nock insert & nock. And thats just a 9.4 gpi shaft

[Tedd]

650 gr is easy with many variables to get there.

[earthlyed0607]

I use an AD arrow the insert is threaded all the way through used allthread any length to fine tune the set up I cut a little short and add fish tank tubing to exact weight lock tight

[pdk25]

Is there something magical about that particular weight?  What is your drawlength, bow and expected quarry?

[Orion]

300 grains up front is about perfect for a carbon arrow.  As others have said, all kinds of ways you can get to 650 grains quite easily.  Point weights range from 100 to 300 grains, adaptors from about 25-30 to 40 grains in aluminum and 50 to 125 grains in steel.  And, of course, can usually go with 20 grains (in aluminum) inserts, up to 50, 75 and even 100 grain brass inserts with Axis shafts. 

[BWallace10327]

I can't understand how people can put hundreds of grain of weight up front without weakening their arrow.  400 grains up front seems incredible. I don't think an arrow shaft can be made stiff enough for me to shoot point weight like that when a 30" CE 250 heritage bareshafts with a 145 grain point. 

[TomMcDonald]

I shoot 400 grains up from with a .400 spine Easton shaft about 32".
Bow is a 49# longbow. Gives me about 700 grains. including footing, nock, etc.

[old_goat2]

I can't understand how people can put hundreds of grain of weight up front without weakening their arrow.  400 grains up front seems incredible. I don't think an arrow shaft can be made stiff enough for me to shoot point weight like that when a 30" CE 250 heritage bareshafts with a 145 grain point.

I didn't think so either till I chased the uefoc last year finally, had to go to a micro diameter arrow and it's off a longbow that isn't cut to center, but I'm only at 350gr up front, not 400gr. I could go to a stiffer shaft and get there though I think.

[old_goat2]

Other than grizzly stik, how can I get a 650-700 grain carbon arrow? Even with a 340 Easton axis at 11.3 GPI that doesn’t get me anywhere close without putting like 350 up from. I do want extreme FOC but is 300 up front too much? I did see the Easton Axis Dangerous Game arrows are like 16GPI or something. Which aluminum arrows are really heavy, in the 15-18GPI range

I worked up some heavy arrows this year like that but then ultimately abandoned them, if you go with a heavy micro diameter arrow you could easily get there. I had some standard black GT Kinetic that I put there 80gr stainless insert/outsert in, with a 250gr tip, came in at 680gr I think. Ultimately I didn't care for the speed loss over my current 580gr arrows though. But a lot depends on the bow, the bow I'm shooting the arrow mentioned above on is 59#@31" Toelke Lynx Longbow, to shoot the same arrow off my 49#@31" Toelke Whistler Longbow, I had to dump 50gr of tip weight.

[last arrow]

Should be able to do it with an easton full metal jacket shaft.

[newhouse114]

Not carbon but my arrows are right at 825. 34" 2419 aluminum with 260 up front.

[limbshaker]

That's exactly why I gave up carbons and went back to woodies and a few aluminum. Don't care for long arrows, and don't care for having to order all my small game points, broadheads, and whatever else in 250gr plus. By the time you buy the shafts, brass inserts, steel broadhead adapters, heavy broadheads and all that you could have had two dozen aluminums or woodies if you fletch yourself. Just too much hassle rounding up a recipe and ingredients for me. If you are a deer hunter, the whole EFOC stuff is a match on a fire anyways.

They need to bring back fiberglass shafts. Heavy, durable (the woven ones at least) and should be consistent and affordable these days. 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm a gap shooter so I use long arrows.  32" GT Traditional 340 with 100 grain insert, 175 - 200 grain heads and 3x5" fletch puts me right around 640 grains.  I notice no difference in impact point between the 175 and 200 grain heads -- I shoot them side by side and they land side by side.  Swapping out to 125 grain bludgeon points for busting pinecones, I still notice no difference in the point of impact.  They don't tune as well but I'm not looking for penetration out of those anyway.

I wouldn't mind upping my weight to 700+ and shooting shorter arrows (32" arrows look pretty funny on a 50" recurve).  But I just haven't played around with it enough yet.  It's pretty easy to not have to bother with cutting shafts.

[WVFarrier]

Any thoughts to going with wood? Forresters has hRd maple shafts that go over that as a bare shaft