Author Topic: Fixed crawl? (Read 13998 times)

GCook · « **Reply #40 on:** September 03, 2018, 06:26:13 PM »

Lots of good info regardless.

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Morning Star · « **Reply #41 on:** September 03, 2018, 09:34:27 PM »

Fluidity of shot was mentioned. I can say my shot is very quick and I don’t feel that I’ve lost anything compared to when I shot instinctive. That was a concern of mine as well. I bet anyone who gives this a go will be surprised how quick their shot goes after they get the method ingrained.

michaelschwister · « **Reply #42 on:** September 05, 2018, 02:44:01 PM »

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KeganM · « **Reply #43 on:** September 05, 2018, 02:55:09 PM »

The nock bumps my glasses with a crawl. At this time I have a 30 yard PO, and could probably get that down to 25 with some heavier arrows if need be, so that's what I'll try this season. May revisit the crawl next year, but this year I'll continue with gap-stinctive.

The idea of being as accurate as possible with just the simple bow and arrow is fascinating to me, regardless of how it ultimately looks. The proof is in the pudding, or venison, as far as I'm concerned. Also, the idea of putting some metal/plastic gadget on my handcrafted longbow makes me feel... weird. I'd definitely try one with an ILF rig that was already tapped for it, though. Might try both and compare them side to side some day.

Here's a recent evening that relates rather well. Had some high school friends over a few weekends ago for some grilling. Two of them had only shot a bow once or twice, and that was probably with my brother and me years ago. After we got the fire going my brother wanted to shoot the 3d target, but no one else seemed interested. So I suggested we shoot at a rolling 5-gallon bucket lid with rubber blunts instead. Game on!

Our one friend is left-handed, but also the most athletic of our group that evening. All we had were right-handed bows, but he was determined. After a brief explanation of how to nock an arrow, we started shooting. After some close shots, the Southpaw Sportsman started hitting consistently! I started watching him closely and noticed that he had moved his fingers down the string to get the arrow by his eye so he could point it better, kind of squinting with his left. He had no idea what string walking was, or gapping, or anything, and we had only really shown them how to use the three under tabs with the simple instruction of "point it at the lid". Yet, he managed to put those pieces together and nail the plastic lid surprisingly well... wrong handed and all!

So, I'd say string walking seems to work pretty well for moving targets if you're using a backwards rig not meant for you at a close-ish range with medium-sized targets. Also, it appears that string walking is, in fact, instinctive for some archers!

Don Stokes · « **Reply #44 on:** September 06, 2018, 11:03:22 AM »

Roy, just powwowing around the campfire. Mostly I'm interested in how something as simple as stick-and-string archery can be so complicated, if you let it. The split-finger method of shooting has been the "standard" for generations of Europeans and their spinoff cultures (USA). Granted we now have superior materials to work with, but the old English and American archers whose field archery was famously adapted by Pope and Young for hunting, shot split finger, and achieved incredible accuracy with wood bows, wood arrows, and targets farther away than is considered ethical in hunting in modern times. How many of us can consistently hit even the whole 48" target butt at 100 yards? Split finger may be an advantage for long distance, allowing easier aiming with the arrow point. One of the best of the early American archers, Russ Hoogerhyde, won the 1930 annual American championship shooting three laminated bamboo bows with draw weights of 50, 60, and 75# for the three different distance targets of the York Round, obviously so he could use a similar point-on aim. From Dr. Elmer's classic "Target Archery", apparently Will and Maurice Thompson drew to their ear when hunting, and to the chin when shooting long-range targets, the implication being that they 'walked' their anchor point instead of the string. Some system of aiming has been used since archery began, and I'm interested in them all.

I had the chance to shoot a bow made like Hoogerhyde's at the Howard Hill Championship when I was still competing. It was made by the famous English bowyer Duff, who came to the US after being bowyer for the Queen of England. A fellow brought it to the shoot, and to my amazement let folks try it. I found it rather sluggish, but my arrows were too heavy for it, and the bow was quite old. It was made with the bamboo laminations laid up at right angles to the back, with a backing piece added perpendicular the the laminations. I've never seen another bow made that way, except in handles.

I'm fully in favor of any style that gets the arrow in the target with perfect flight on the way there, so that penetration isn't hurt by the technique. Perfect arrow flight trumps every other consideration for me.

Roy from Pa · « **Reply #45 on:** September 06, 2018, 11:42:15 AM »

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Roy, just powwowing around the campfire.

Me too, Don..

Terry Green · « **Reply #46 on:** September 06, 2018, 12:03:38 PM »

Quote from: wingnut on August 31, 2018, 10:50:44 AM

Rusty Craine is 74 and he's used this method since the 60s.

Sounds like your are "a crusty old fart who is set in his ways" after all. LOL

Mike

Too funny Mike......If 'Crusty Rusty' has been doing it since the 60s...sounds like he's an old fart set in his ways as well

How is he doing? Does he still have that jeep?

Roy from Pa · « **Reply #47 on:** September 06, 2018, 01:34:53 PM »

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Rusty Craine is 74 and he's used this method since the 60s.

Sounds like your are "a crusty old fart who is set in his ways" after all. LOL

Mike

LMAO

I'm 70 and have used it since 1971.

Ole fart here too:)

Try it Don, ya may be able to hit something with it..

Don Stokes · « **Reply #48 on:** September 06, 2018, 05:04:43 PM »

Roy, from the looks of that picture, I'd be tearing up too many arrows.

Roy from Pa · « **Reply #49 on:** September 07, 2018, 06:17:38 AM »

Nah, ya just have to be careful that's all.

LOL

Trenton G. · « **Reply #50 on:** September 07, 2018, 08:10:05 AM »

Looks like the fire extinguisher took quite a beating during the shooting of that group.

Roy from Pa · « **Reply #51 on:** September 07, 2018, 08:16:31 AM »

LOL

Don Stokes · « **Reply #52 on:** September 07, 2018, 10:08:08 AM »

Roy, I can do that too, if I'm not too far from the target.

jonsimoneau · « **Reply #53 on:** September 25, 2018, 03:15:27 PM »

I’ve been shooting 3 under for many years and considered myself an instinctive shooter. Did just fine for years but I would often get very frustrated with myself when I would fail to pick an exact spot on a deer, and would miss. Or other times in low light I’d have trouble picking a spot. For a year now I have been shooting with a 20 yard fixed crawl. I don’t know if I will stick with it forever but I doubt I’ll ever go back to not having an aiming method. My accuracy at hunting range is greater than it ever has been. With a 20 yard point on distance I’m able to put the point on the deer at most ranges out to 20 yards and just barely below the deers chest at close range. Still gotta execute the shot but my 20 yard groups have shrunk tremendously. To minimize my crawl down the string I tuned my arrows full length. My crawl is maybe a little more than a half inch for my 20 yard point on distance. I love being able to use my arrow as a reference point as I know I’m going to hit very close to where I want almost every time.

NotDylan · « **Reply #54 on:** December 10, 2018, 05:55:19 PM »

Do Hill style bows lend themselves to a fixed crawl method assuming they're tillered for 3 under?

Orion · « **Reply #55 on:** December 11, 2018, 11:19:44 AM »

Regardless of how any fixed limb bow is tillered, you're changing the dynamic balance of the limbs when you move to a fixed crawl. Really doesn't make much difference in the outcome though.

KSdan · « **Reply #56 on:** December 11, 2018, 01:47:23 PM »

I have no problem w a fixed crawl or any other method. HOWEVER- like Don, I have asked numerous people his same question: Why make this so difficult- why not just put sights on your bow and be done with it? Sure seems like a much easier system.

wingnut · « **Reply #57 on:** December 11, 2018, 02:02:12 PM »

I did. I've been shooting a sight for the last couple of years on my hunting bow.

Mike

Orion · « **Reply #58 on:** December 11, 2018, 02:11:03 PM »

I haven't started crawling yet, but I am playing around with 3-under. So far for me, the ability to basically look right down the arrow seems to obviate the need for a crawl for close shots, i.e., 20 yards and less.

That being said, after my less than stellar shooting this past season, I broke out my Bear mag TD with the sliding sight in the window. Haven't shot a sight in 40 years. It seems to be working well also.

One way or another, the turkeys are going to be in for trouble this spring.

NotDylan · « **Reply #59 on:** December 11, 2018, 02:15:15 PM »

I'd like to see some pictures if sights on trad bows. Can they be placed on things like hill style bows?

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