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Author Topic: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?  (Read 4235 times)

Offline LBR

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Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« on: October 27, 2018, 10:07:15 PM »
Sure does to this one!  Got 'er did with a very special bow this evening.  Long story short, I've been in a slump.  Shot clean over 3 deer in 3 days...I'm convinced they are on meth and chasing it with Red Bull.  Taking shots at what I thought were at least semi-relaxed deer, they ducked the arrow like it was a magic act...then explode out of there.

Went to a spot where two of the three misses have occurred.  Place is rotton with deer, and I was determined...I might shoot under one, but I wasn't about to watch my arrow fly over again.  I'd even added an extra set of silencers to the bow today to try and get it quieter.  It helped...some...

Ok I lied.  It's not going to be a short story. :bigsmyl:

10 minutes after 5, deer start  coming out of the woods to the long, fairly narrow green field I'm hunting.  I'm steadily telling myself "SHOOT LOW!".  One of the mature does give me a shot.  I pick my spot in the pocket behind her leg at the bottom of her chest and shoot.  Got her!  HEART SHOT....I think?  She didn't duck, but rather whirled.  Silencers must have helped because a couple of the others hesitated a couple of seconds before busting out of there.

Ok, now the hard part.  Waiting.  I was sure (I think?) it was a good shot, but it sounded weird.  Not the "bomp" I've always heard...that good hollow sound.  This was more like  a "shnick"...like a cutting sound, but not hollow.  Oh well, somehow I dodged the ribs...I think?

30 minutes went by unusually quick.  I was about to gather up my stuff and...dang...deer start coming out of the woods again!  4 or 6, including a couple of bucks (big bodies, not much for antlers).  One young doe comes over almost to the spot where I'd just shot her companion.  She meanders around for a while.  Nervous and curious.  The mature deer just mosey on, never stopped or offered a shot (I could have killed a buck legally).  I watched the young doe, then a second one, for a while.  They wandered off, I gave it a while, now it's been an hour.  Can't stand it anymore.  Gotta' look.

I go to the spot.  Nothing.  Tracks everywhere, no way to pick out one set.  I start criss-crossing the field looking for blood.  Nada.  Nothing.  Zilch.  Crap!  Did I hit her leg?

I get to the end of the field, was thinking about calling a buddy of mine who is part (about 3/4) bloodhound and I see my nock off in the woods a little ways.  Hot dog!  At least there's my arrow...and maybe a clue as to where that deer went.  I got closer...crap...it's just the arrow.  I was dang near on top of it before I saw it was still planted in the deer, and she was DRT (Dead Right There).  Never did find a drop of blood...but she'd only gone maybe 100 yds, and covered that distance in a few seconds and crashed in a full run.

Honestly the shot looked awful.  Was NOT where I thought...she'd spun when I dropped the string, hit her WAY back...behind the rib cage..but she didn't go far, so I was happy.  Maybe she saw my face and I uglied her to death? :scared:

Now, to get to the point of the post heading.  Like I said, I was using a very special bow.  It was gifted to me by Lenny Pierce, son of Mr. Jerry Pierce.  Mr. Jerry didn't make this particular bow, but it was made on his press, with his woods, about a year after his passing.  It was sold at the 2000 PBS Auction.

Lenny is a good friend, and gave me this bow several years ago with one condition.  I had to try and kill something with it.

Well...I procrastinated.  It's short...56" or 58".  I draw 31" on it.  It's light.  35@28, or a whopping 40.5@31.  I'd never shot that light other than a couple of shots for fun...much less hunted with that light a draw weight.  I hadn't hunted with it because I hadn't taken the time to get arrows matched to it, and wasn't comfortable half-a-ing it.  I know that's the word on the street, that we bowhunters don't have to worry about stuff like that...but I do.

This year was going to be the year.  Bought the right arrows (500 spine GT, still took a 200 grain point to get them to fly perfect), tinkered and tinkered and tinkered until I was satisfied...except it was still noisier than I liked.  Proceeded to cleanly miss 3 deer...they ducked the arrow every time...ARRGGGHHHH!!!!!  Well...the only way you'll never miss is if you never shoot at one...that's my story and I'm sticking to it.  At least I'm seeing deer.

Ok, back to the point.  Pulling a measly 40.5# at best.  Deer is on meth and chasing it with Red Bull.  Spun like a top when I dropped the string.  Hit her way far back.  Had to do a redneck autopsy when I skinned her, just to see why she went down so fast.  I did notice the arrow was buried up probably 18" in her, but it didn't penetrate the far side.

THIS is why it's idiotic to hunt with anything other than well tuned arrows (besides the fact that a broadhead can take a wobbly arrow way off course...they aren't like shooting field points...but you have to actually shoot broadheads to know that).  I hit gut.  I knew that due to the entry wound.  I hit liver.  I figured as much because she went down so fast.  I hit lungs.  Wow...good penetration for that light weight.  Oh, but I'm not finished.  I hit heart also...in and out.  Holy crap!  No wonder she went down so hard and fast! 

On top of that, just a while ago while I was putting my bloody arrow away, I noticed something.  The point on my Ace broadhead is bent (and these are tough heads).  WHAT????  I hit the off-side shoulder, after penetrating gut, liver, lungs, and heart hard enough to bend the tip of my broadhead!  Pulling 40.5#!  Oh yeah, shot distance was under 20 yds...probably 16 or 17.

THAT is why bow hunters tune their gear.  Based on actually shooting deer.  Almost forgot...she weighed 100# on the money on my digital scale.  Not the biggest, but a mature MS whitetail doe.

I have pictures if someone wants to post them.  I can text them to you from my phone.  I'm computer illiterate when it comes to that stuff.

Chad

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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2018, 12:05:27 AM »
Thanks, Chad!  Enjoyed the story, the red neck logic, and the autopsy report.
Gotta get back together soon.

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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2018, 01:18:12 AM »
awesome tale!
thanks

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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2018, 01:49:51 AM »
 :clapper:

Love the story! Congrats.

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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2018, 03:16:43 AM »
You are correct ... you lied about it being short  :biglaugh:
Seriously though, enjoyed it. Congrats on the kill and recovery

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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2018, 06:20:53 AM »
HELL YA!  :thumbsup: it matters to this one. congratts! on the ninja doe.
      ive had dealings with those too.

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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2018, 06:26:41 AM »
Congratulations Chad! Well done sir!  :campfire:
There is nothing like a good short story  :bigsmyl:
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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2018, 07:14:42 AM »
The animation of mind and spirit generated by the most interesting events inspired thru the traditional world is amazing.


A tuned arrow with broadhead is the only method to be assured one's setup is absolutely on the mark.
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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2018, 09:14:38 AM »
Congratulations!
Here it is.
 
« Last Edit: October 28, 2018, 10:34:55 AM by SteveB »

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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2018, 10:08:51 AM »
Congrats !
Nothing prepares you for arrow flight with broadheads except broadheads. When I got my  tigersharks I could literally see the spiral they made. Once tuned - they shoot way better.
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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2018, 10:36:07 AM »
Mountain Muffler would quiet that bow right down :bigsmyl:

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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2018, 10:55:22 AM »
Touche' Steve!

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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2018, 12:22:36 PM »
Congrats Chad! now you're going to have to take a minute learn how to post pictures cuz it's easier than ever.... you are going to have to do it Chad... no if ands or buts ...need to fine-tune your posting abilities now  :biglaugh:
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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2018, 12:28:32 PM »

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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2018, 01:49:38 PM »
Man alive Terry...I ain't no techy...

Notice two holes in the heart.  Only thing I can figure is she stabbed herself again running?...one good thing about the arrow staying in the deer, but I believe it I hadn't hit the off-side shoulder at least the broadhead would have stuck out the far side.

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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2018, 08:31:23 PM »
Entertaining story. Congratulations on the deer. As for tuning, I do not know of any serious hunter or target archer who doesn't tune his equipment.
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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2018, 08:56:50 PM »
Congratulations
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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2018, 12:13:29 AM »
Thanks for the congratulations...honestly I was getting aggravated.  Never had three shot opportunities in three days running before, much less missed all three!

Sam, you would think that would be common sense.  I got lambasted (elsewhere) by a bunch of "hunters" because I spoke out about a (non-hunting) "guru" claiming we bow hunters don't have to worry about it, and most don't...we just "grip it and rip it".  Basically calling us slobs.  That's the reason behind the header.  This same genius claims my 40.5@31 should be performing like a similar design that's 70@28 (due to my draw length)...go figure.   :laughing:  Seems if that were the case, a 32" 500 spine carbon with a 200 grain point would be really weak instead of flying like a dart...

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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2018, 12:18:29 AM »
Thanks for the congratulations...honestly I was getting aggravated.  Never had three shot opportunities in three days running before, much less missed all three!

Sam, you would think that would be common sense.  I got lambasted (elsewhere) by a bunch of "hunters" because I spoke out about a (non-hunting) "guru" claiming we bow hunters don't have to worry about it, and most don't...we just "grip it and rip it".  Basically calling us slobs.  That's the reason behind the header.  This same genius claims my 40.5@31 should be performing like a similar design that's 70@28 (due to my draw length)...go figure.   :laughing:  Seems if that were the case, a 32" 500 spine carbon with a 200 grain point would be really weak instead of flying like a dart...
I draw a 50 @ 28 to 32 plus, wonder what poundage he thinks I will get?
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Re: Does Tuning Really Matter to a Bow Hunter?
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2018, 12:35:44 AM »
Ace, the claim is you get 10# worth of performance for every inch you pull past 28".  When I first saw the claim, I asked "are you saying that a 40@32 will perform like an 80@28?".  He says "In the same style/design, yes that's exactly what I'm saying."  **not an exact quote, but that is the exact meaning**  Not poundge, but performance.  I asked "so what happens if you pull a 40@28 to just 24" and release?"  No answer of course.  According to his formula, you should be getting 90+# worth of performance.  The reason I try to bring attention to this crap is there are people who actually believe this rot...primarily beginners who just don't know any better...but there are "experienced" archers who will back him up...even web site owners/administrators.  I don't get it. :dunno: 

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