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I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« on: December 04, 2018, 05:18:35 PM »
Or some self control. Rescued these Black Locust logs from becoming firewood. I can't say no. This stuff is pretty hard to cut as I recall. Iv'e only ever worked on a Locust stave. I live in a Hardwood desert, so I'm not sure how to attack the big suckers. Anybody ever rip Hardwood at home with a chainsaw?

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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2018, 05:39:49 PM »
I can't get any pictures to load. Sorry, stupid post without pics! I'll try again :banghead:

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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2018, 05:58:11 PM »
Yeah I have.  Hard work, but it can be done.  Get the biggest saw you can and a new ripping chain. 
Life is too short to use marginal bow wood

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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2018, 06:05:59 PM »
Still won't let me post any pics. How long that take you BMorv?


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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2018, 06:30:58 PM »
Set your cell phone camera setting to the lowest size.

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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2018, 06:48:42 PM »
Set your cell phone camera setting to the lowest size.
Didn't know I could do that. Just checked, it was at the lowest size. Never had a problem before.
Anyways...   I like that set-up the guy cutting the Redwood is using. I have a spare bar, I could drill some holes in.

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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2018, 08:02:16 PM »
About 20 minutes a pass. But that log was 18’ long
Life is too short to use marginal bow wood

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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2018, 10:12:36 PM »
Thanks Roy. I think it's my connection. My upload speed is less than 1Mpbs. I am actually the very last connection on the DSL/phone line. Still beats dial-up.

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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2018, 12:14:59 AM »
Hey Flem, at least we are a bit better than you, we get 1.5mbps upload speed, still on a radio uplink to the tower out here  :banghead:

alaska mills are great, but remember they are a huge kerf, but if its the only way, then thats better than nothing. there is also a cheaper  side mill option, for once you have the log canted- then you can cut off vertical boards, however if you attach a stout plank to the top, and shim it to get it all true, you can make your first cut with one of the side mills, then roll the log, now you have a flat top to work with.


like said before- a good ripping chain is a necessity, and not the standard cross cut chain.
the older saws ran at a lower rpm, and were actually way better for alaska milling, but the best saw, is the one you have i guess!!

i have seen some pretty handy band mills built with two car rims and tyres, on a carriage- giving a horizontal, mobile mill.
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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2018, 08:09:34 AM »
My suggestion...  Get the alaskan saw mill...  Cut the log in half or three pieces then run the rest through your bandsaw... 
   The chainsaw will will not give you your best cut, large kerf and wastes wood, fatiguing and is slow to operate... Get the wood down to a manageable size and zip it through the bandsaw...
   If you got a 14" saw with a 3/4 hp motor, you may want to up size to 1 1/2 hp if you are gonna be going through a lot of thick and dense wood...

   If you got questions about the bandsaw, contact Fujimo...  He is the resident expert on them...

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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2018, 11:06:17 AM »
I was going to ask for suggestions regarding Bandsaws. I've been making do with a 14", but it's got a lot of limitations. The biggest drawback for me is the limited re-saw capacity. Looking at 17" saws, they seem to be the best compromise between price and power. Any opinions?

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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2018, 11:59:44 AM »
http://www.grizzly.com/woodworking-bandsaws

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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2018, 12:36:34 PM »
My wife is getting me the 2 Hp 17" Grizzly for Christmas.  12" resaw height.  Oh yeah. 
I plan to do like Shredd suggested, rough out the log with the Alaskan mill, then run the rest through the bandsaw. 

You should be able to get a riser block for your 14" bandsaw which should get your resaw capacity to 12", but you need HP if you plan to do a decent amount of resawing over 6". 

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-Riser-Block-Kit-for-G0555/H3051
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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2018, 02:27:11 PM »
after Shredd elevating my status, i am rather nervous to reply here- after all, the definition of an  expert is. ex is  a has been, and a spurt is just drip under pressure :biglaugh:

it sure is  easy to proclaim and tout what the best tool for the job is, but i always maintain the best tool is the one you have- and we all figure out a way to make it work, however if you are lucky enough to have a wife like  BMorv, the 17" is a great option, that allows you to run a true resaw operation.
hp is critical, because if you lug the motor down, the blade speed drops, and then the gullets cant clear the sawdust adequately, then it starts to spill excessively past the blade- at best  leaving a rough cut, or at worst sending your cut off at an angle. but by far the biggest issue, is now with the excessive friction you will be overheating the blade- and heat is a bandsaws enemy no. 1!!!

on my personal shop saw- i have a 16" saw. i run a 7/8" tooth pitch blade ( thats one tooth every 7/8") with lots of set and its .042 thick.
and i upgraded the motor to a 5hp.
smaller wheels wont like that thick of a band- on our big shop saw we run .050 bands.
and with smaller wheels you will need thinner bands, and in turn that means more TPI. Get as low a tooth count as you can get with lots of set, it will ensure adequate chip clearance, making for a faster more accurate cut, kinder on the saw, sure there will be a bit more kerf but we are only talking thou here!!
Set is so often overlooked, and its the most critical thing, you can get a hand setter- its a lot cheaper and  a bit laborious- but its worth its weight in gold!!

we sharpen and set our own blades/bands- and we get an average of about 10 sharpenings per band- but we make sure they run cool all the time.

get the bands as tight as you can get them- you will never crank them tight enough with a hand crank to do them any damage- on our big saw they will tighten up to 2100 psi with a hydraulic ram, a blade can handle 15 000 psi of pressure- but will the bandsaw itself handle that???

there will be a lot of folk that will disagree with this, but if your machine has bearing guides- i would run bearing guides on the top and cool blocks on the bottom.
the cool blocks should just be clearing the band, so there is no scraping noise but as close as you can get them, the idea is, they will scrape the residue off the blade( sawdust) . on bearings, the sawdust falling through the blade guide will get "wheeled " through between the bearing and the blade, jerking and jarring the machine on a minute scale which in time will cost you bearings and other wear and tear.

learn how to tune your saw- lots of opinions on that out there too- and thats another whole can of worms~~~~


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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2018, 04:42:53 PM »
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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2018, 06:35:32 PM »
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Re: I'm going to need a bigger Bandsaw
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2018, 06:49:44 PM »
Hey Fujimo...    Do you prefer the mix of bearings and cool blocks???  Does it have an advantage over just using cool blocks??

   When I started seeing the newer band saws with bearing guides I thought it was great...  But after getting sawdust and resin stuck on the wheels and having to replace bearings more often than blocks, I think I prefer the blocks over bearings...

   
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Now that's funny right thar:)   
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Hey, resident wiseguy, somebody's got to be the expert...     :laugh:

 The man knows his way around bandsaws...   :thumbsup:

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