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Author Topic: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?  (Read 12188 times)

Offline Jason W

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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2019, 01:41:27 PM »
Out of curiosity, where are these shafts made?


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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2019, 01:43:23 PM »
Victory is out of California. And they are supplied carbon from a company in Mexico I believe. The point being there not made overseas they still are not made in United States at least their carbon is not supplied from American-based company I’m not denying that.
The carbon is supplied from a company in Mexico and they are made in California information that I have.
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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2019, 08:22:36 PM »
if the V3's cost that much how much would the V1's be?

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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2019, 11:33:11 AM »
I received my test kit from Grizzlystik today and I must say I'm pretty impressed. Both test arrows weighed exactly 650 grains on my scale. Both the .320 and .400 flew great but the .400 seemed to hit the target more squarely. Both arrows appeared to be very straight when spun on my arrow spinner. I'm going to try to shoot at longer yardages in the next few days to see how the trajectory is affected.
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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2019, 01:10:31 PM »
I just put the AD Stinger tapered shafts through the test over the weekend.
I have to say, these were not as bad as some of your guys past experiance was.
Maybe the quality control is better. This is my first experiance with the brand, so I have no past experiance to compare it to.

First off, the 400 spine shafts actually came in at 440spine on my scale.  Probably due to the taper. FULL Disclosure, I am no expert at testing spines on carbon. I usually take the manufactures word.

All 4 shafts were with in 3 grains of each other in weight. The wood shaft was obviously heavier by approx 40g. (Same spine)

I am not sure what straightness Glen sent me, but they all were built exactly the same and all spun true on my spin tester.

As far as flight, they flew very well and it appears to have a little more trajectory than a .254 parallel shaft of the exact same weight.

These Stinger shafts also were producing a consistent 3 fps gain over the .245 parallel shaft of same weight.

I took the shafts stumping and really tried to break them. I typically “foot” the ends of my shafts, however, I chose not to do it with these as I wanted to see if they can handle to torture on their own! I had a 50% success. One shaft split on the point end from a direct front hit on a hard locust stump. Another withstood a direct hit on a concrete block but the nock end cracked ever so slightly.

The other 2 shafts took everything I could do to it. As did the Wood covered shaft. However, the wood grafics got scratched up pretty bad on a off camber shot on the concrete block. I shoot black shafts, so not a worry of mine. I think any wood/carbon shaft would have scratched.

The good:
~I would say I am pretty please with the Stinger tapered shafts. I like the standard .244(5/16”) front end and the standard .165 (G-nock) rear end.
~I was happy with the shafts overall weight as it was not too heavy. It allowed me to load up the front end and get a nice overall weight and high foc.
~I also like the slight increase in speed and wind direction that the micro diameter showed on the nock end.
~Price. At $125-$165/doz depending on the grade, that is a heck of a deal as far as I see it.
~I like the use of “standard” components.

The bad:
~The ID on the ends were slightly inconsitant. I had to trim a 1/2” of the front and rear to get a good end for the component installation. Not a huge deal, but non the less.
~50% breakage. No I did torture these poor shafts. But footing and pin nocks would probably solve this. BUT, not everyone out there likes footing their shafts and using a pin nock.
~Grafics. Just a simple screen print. Not durable at all. However, I hate grafics, so I just took them off anyhow.
~Top coat. Lack of finish coating that I am aware of or could tell on these shafts. No coating like the CE Bufftough, or the Victory ICE coating. I am a fan of the Victory ICE coating, but I am not sure if it is really needed.
~The .165 nock end. I don’t know, I was never a fan of the .165 diameter shafts. I always liked the .204 (Axis) shafts. It would be cool to have had these on a slight taper from .245 to a .204 nock end. However, Glen told me he could not achieve this on this equipment.

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Build: 400 spine Stinger(black shaft) Cut to 31”
         60g TOPHAT SS insert
         265g points
         Easton G nock (I think I would use the Bohing Blazer F nock)
         7” white wraps.
         3-4” parabolic feathers. Straight fletched. Right wing.
Total Weight: 588g
FOC: 24.5%
FPS: 150
Momentum: .39 slugs

Testing was done on a 62” Hurst Amiable. 46# at my 29” draw.


« Last Edit: March 06, 2019, 03:14:57 PM by TUFFHEAD »

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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2019, 01:38:07 PM »
Jason, I'm glad you took the time to test the Stingers. I thought about ordering a dozen of the Grizzlystiks,  but the cost is almost double what the Stingers would cost.  Maybe I will order a half dozen of the Stingers from 3 Rivers to try them out.
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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2019, 02:27:55 PM »
James, I would be interested in your feedback as well.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2019, 03:13:12 PM by TUFFHEAD »

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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2019, 02:29:24 PM »
After 18 years I can officially say now that I will no longer recommend or buy arrow dynamics.
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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2019, 05:44:09 PM »
no more arrow dynamics for mr. terry  :scared: :scared: :scared: is it possible there quality control has slipped that far?

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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2019, 06:12:26 PM »
Terry,
Did you get a chance to try the Grizzlystik?
Anyone try those tapered FMJs yet?
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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #50 on: March 22, 2019, 06:45:19 AM »
Tedd,.... I have several types of  shafts comming....they are shipping this week.
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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #51 on: March 22, 2019, 06:49:31 PM »
Don't see how expressing your choice of supporting or not supporting a item would be grounds for a lawsuit. I certainly read no derogatory statements about someone or thing in your post.
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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #52 on: March 22, 2019, 07:58:01 PM »
Thanks Kat.... After 18 years of support you surely wouldn't expect this Kind of treatment especially when you did nothing to provoke it.
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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #53 on: March 23, 2019, 05:54:37 AM »
Arrow Dynamics and Grizzlysticks are not even in the same category.  Arrow dynamics are sub par at best and very inconsistant.  I love grizzly sticks out of any of my bows that are cut short of center, on center cut bows I see less of an advantage.  Not sure why but just what I have observed.  The way I see it the arrow and broadhead actually pass through the animal I have no desire to use any thing less then the best I can afford.

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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #54 on: March 23, 2019, 09:36:40 AM »
Sorry to hear this about Arrow Dynamics but it's not surprising.  My search for the perfect arrow continues.  Too bad, cause I really liked the Stinger shaft.  Grizzly Sticks are just priced too high for me no matter how good they are.  Think I will try to find some of the new T64 shafts. 

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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #55 on: March 23, 2019, 10:07:37 AM »
They aren’t tapered, but I’ve really been happy with the day six arrows.  I’ve literally tried to break them stumping and can’t.  On direct impacts with oak trees, steel pipes, and steel plates.  Nothing.  Still shooting that arrow.  Stuck one in a doe this year in freezing temps and watched her kick the arrow twice as she ran off.  Still using that arrow as well.  They are skinny shafts with a good heavy weight.  They aren’t cheap at $170 per dozen, but I’m a huge fan so far.  Just my 2 cents as a Bowhunter who loves to tinker with arrows.


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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #56 on: March 23, 2019, 10:16:24 AM »
Tedd, sorry....there is a grizz in the batch...not sure what else.
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« Reply #57 on: March 23, 2019, 11:44:02 AM »
Ah....Thank you Kat
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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #58 on: March 23, 2019, 12:33:40 PM »
AD Stingers tested well for me as mentioned above from my test. It was just a test for me as I too was interested in a tapered shaft. I think a tapered style shaft has its place in some bows, but is not a cure all.

A good parralel shaft is hard to beat. I am very fond of .204 and standard diameter shafts for rigidity and a good balance of gpi weight.

I have tested the Black Eagle shafts pretty extensively and am very impressed.
That is why i decided to become a dealer.

Those of you that know me, know I only carry what I trust and is a solid product.
Black Eagle hits a good price point and are really good shafts. I would put them up to any other arrow out there at the moment.

I honestly, truely feel good components are just as important and are continuously over looked when building a good quality arrow.

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Re: Arrow Dynamics Stingers or Grizzlystik Momentum TDT?
« Reply #59 on: March 23, 2019, 02:32:05 PM »
Jason...I'll call you Monday.
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