Author Topic: Yet another question regarding heavy heads and inserts (Read 4816 times)

madmaxthc · « **on:** April 27, 2019, 11:55:04 PM »

Hello, TradGangers,

When I switched to heavy heads (170-190 grains) and carbon shafts, with normal inserts, I have seen a tendency of the shaft to go "mushroom". I have now purchased the 100 grains longer inserts, but haven't had time to try them yet.
In your experience, would that be enough to enure resistance to impact on deer and hogs?

Cheers,
Max

Zwickey-Fever · « **Reply #1 on:** April 28, 2019, 01:03:27 AM »

I'm wondering if footing your carbon shafts with aluminum would be a better alternative?? I would lean more that way if possible. Best of luck.

hybridbow hunter · « **Reply #2 on:** April 28, 2019, 02:37:23 AM »

A German company TopHat makes heavy steel insert and steel collars with lots of size fitting with very low tolerance most of the shafts in 5/16 and 9/32.
You can even add a second collar at the nock end for added strength. This is by far the best system for the money and lowest time consuming to make a VERY durable shaft

Bldtrailer · « **Reply #3 on:** April 28, 2019, 06:38:06 AM »

foot them with the right size xx75 s or the collars above( I do both ends with 2117 x 2inch front 3/8 back)

Bldtrailer · « **Reply #4 on:** April 28, 2019, 06:39:52 AM »

I use big Jim's hot melt for inserts and footings

trad_bowhunter1965 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 28, 2019, 01:06:34 PM »

I shoot wood arrows but if I still shot carbons I would look at Day 6 carbon arrows.

madmaxthc · « **Reply #6 on:** April 28, 2019, 03:29:47 PM »

Thank you all for the advice,

I have been reading a lot about footing today.
Something that bothers me about the footing is that I will probably have to switch to field points that fit the aluminum shaft rather than the carbon one. Per se is not a big deal, but that also means that they would create a ridge just behind some broadheads, such as the Simmons. Any thoughts on that regard?

I also learned more about collars; I checked the TopHat ones and also realized 3Rivers has 5 grains collars which seem to have a slope to attenuate the difference in diameter with the arrow head. I was thinking to use them together with the 100 grains brass inserts. Any experience with thoem?

Thanks again for your kind help,
Max

Bldtrailer · « **Reply #7 on:** April 28, 2019, 04:04:57 PM »

I make my footings by cutting on my arrow saw 1-2 inch lengths (you could use a pipe cutter and deburr) and then put them in a drill and sand/file round the edges (no need for bigger field pnts) It saves a lot of arrows , not all but many.

madmaxthc · « **Reply #8 on:** April 28, 2019, 06:36:01 PM »

Great info, thank you

Terry Green · « **Reply #9 on:** April 28, 2019, 06:50:37 PM »

I have shot a 175 grains since the eighties.... With normal inserts..... And out of 60 to 80 pound bows...

Not sure why your arrows are mushrooming unless they're poor quality..... Or I misunderstood your question.

blacktailbob · « **Reply #10 on:** April 28, 2019, 07:09:03 PM »

What exactly are shooting at or missing and then hitting?

madmaxthc · « **Reply #11 on:** April 28, 2019, 07:24:13 PM »

Great, thanks guys. I missed the target a couple of times while training and hit some stones, OK? No need to rub it in

Also hit a deer's shoulder blade last winter. I was not expecting a Simmons to get through that, but didn't expect the shaft to go mushroom either.

Fine, I'll try and practice more

katman · « **Reply #12 on:** April 28, 2019, 08:38:44 PM »

Foot with aluminum should help your mushroom problem. here is a size chart in the how to section.
http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=108926.msg2041043#msg2041043

Taper ends, I use a reloading deburring tool.

madmaxthc · « **Reply #13 on:** April 28, 2019, 08:47:15 PM »

That's great info, thank you!

acedoc · « **Reply #14 on:** April 30, 2019, 01:25:48 AM »

I foot beman ics with xx75 of correct size and there is no ridge between the base of field point and the insert. If so particular you may want to use a fine file or sandpaper to grind fit. If hunting then the ferrule of your broadhead should be the focus of your concern and it should be the thickest (as low as possible) part of your arrow assembly.
Footing plain works but can not protect against hard hits. I have had neck ends splinter against a mulberry stump, but that arrow is around 4 years old and has stood upto a lot of shots.

Jason W · « **Reply #15 on:** April 30, 2019, 04:43:16 AM »

Footing the front end of carbon makes them pretty indestructible.
We have 12 sizes in short and long that fit just about everything out there.

I am also releasing this new system tomorrow.

imbowhunt10 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 30, 2019, 09:38:50 AM »

This is what I like about the Grizzly Instinct. The end of my arrow is hidden inside the Broadhead. It is not indestructible, but I feel very confident in its integrity, without being footed.

acedoc · « **Reply #17 on:** April 30, 2019, 12:23:07 PM »

Quote from: TUFFHEAD on April 30, 2019, 04:43:16 AM

Footing the front end of carbon makes them pretty indestructible.
We have 12 sizes in short and long that fit just about everything out there.

I am also releasing this new system tomorrow.

Nice

imbowhunt10 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 30, 2019, 08:52:39 PM »

I forgot to mention in my post above, that is a carbon arrow the Instinct is mounted on.

madmaxthc · « **Reply #19 on:** April 30, 2019, 10:49:02 PM »

Quote from: TUFFHEAD on April 30, 2019, 04:43:16 AM

Footing the front end of carbon makes them pretty indestructible.
We have 12 sizes in short and long that fit just about everything out there.

I am also releasing this new system tomorrow.

That looks really interesting. I'll keep an eye on the website. What is the weight and the length of those footings? Also, it looks like they would work with any head, am I correct?

Thanks,
Max


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