Pass through or not?

[Guru]

I totally agree with Terry, Biggie,Shawn and Ray......

... and will have to disagree with Jerry J.....I have personally never seen a "one lung" shot deer that bled out it's nose/mouth...maybe so,but after a lot of personal experience...I've never seen it....I've got pix to prove it in my case.

[devildog66]

I believe the double lung more holes crowd has this discussion.
It is acute double pneumothorax more precisely!  Inhalation is relatively low pressure; exhalation requires more pressure (ever hear an asthmatic wheeze, which is due to reduced bronchial space and thus more pressure, when he exhales?) and holes in both lungs and the chest cavity do not accommodate this high pressure happening whatsoever.  CO2 build up and percentage of O2 decreases and, wow, I'm feeling woozy and I'll just fade outtt right about here...  

 Of course, this is combined with the massive hemorrhage as the lung tissue has a relatively large volume of blood due to the large surface area of the capillaries within said lung tissue.  This massive hemorrhage and increase in CO2/loss of 02 is what brings about a relatively efficient death.  This can ONLY be created by both lungs and the chest cavity being punctured.  

Keep 'em sharp,
DD

[nock hunter]

Thanks for the input.I have no reason to lie about my deer running 300 yards so for those guys that are doubting me,well that's your opinion and I'm the one that packed him out.My broadheads were sharp enough to shave with so tha puts that out too.As for hunting bears over bait that's against the law in BC and personally think it's wrong anyway.I posted to see what the opinions were not for people to doubt me.

[Jason R. Wesbrock]

Originally posted by Biggie Hoffman:
NOTHING runs 300 yards if it's double lunged.

Sorry, but I've got to disagree.  

Several years ago I had a doe ten yards from me, as wired a deer as I've ever seen...snorting, stomping and bouncing around. I put a 3-blade head through the rear lobe of her near lung and out the center of the other one. She went 350 yards before going down.

I swore I'd only gotten one lung until I field dressed her and examined the organs. Both lungs...nice 3-blade cuts. I had to check, recheck and re-recheck the recovery distance with a GPS to believe it was really 350 yards. As far as sharp heads, I can leave a bald strip on my arm with one pass so I'm not sure how much sharper they can get.

Now I'm not saying recovery distances like that are even remotely normal for double lung shots. The next closest I've had was about 120, and I think that's the only other one to go over 100.

Lesson of the day: don't shoot wired deer.

[Biggie Hoffman]

Nah Jason, you cut the other lung with your knife when doing the autopsy.

:-)

[DarkeGreen]

In 20+ years of hunting I don't recall ever having a double lunged deer mak it past 50 yards and under 40 was the norm. I think most of the 300 yard runs are due to single lung hits because folks are too high in the trees.

[Ray Hammond]

thats what I was thinkin', Biggie...I bet Jason has one of those three edge knives...isn't that called a Ginsu?????            

There are always going to be anomole in everything. Animals are in this one respect, like folks- some have a tremendously strong will to live. Some are naturally wired tighter than others. Some give it up quick...all things being equal.

I've seen a thousand whitetail kills..and I've never seen a double lunged deer travel that far.

I do NOT doubt though, it happened..I've seen too many freaky things in the woods to disbelieve nearly anything. That was one tough deer with high oxygen content blood I tell you!!!! Maybe she was a marathoner or a Navy Seal deer.

[TSHOOTER]

Most of you have shot many more deer with a bow than I have. I don't want to turn this into a "DEER NOT RECOVERED THREAD" but from my limited experience--Passthrough = recovered deer and No pass through= crapshoot.  Ask yourself of any/all game you never found; how many were passthroughs and how many were not.

[30coupe]

I don't mean to doubt anyone here, but I have to side with the pass trough crowd. I have a couple of ideas about the "hunting show" kills. Most are shot with compounds (that's fine if you like them) using lightweight arrows at extended range for a bow IMHO, often with mechanical broadheads. The combination of light arrow weight, distance, and mechanical heads limit penetration. That often leaves arrows sticking out of deer. I agree that the arrow flagging scares them into running farther. Couple that with the sound most compounds emit and the deer are bound to spook and run farther than one would like.

Quietly slip a sharp broadhead through both lungs, follow a short blood trail, and enjoy fresh backstraps.  

[Roger Norris]

I am thoroughly convinced that a deer with an arrow flagging as he runs will panic and run MUCH harder/farther. Even if he just gains 5 seconds more of life from the adrenilin (sp) rush, how far can a deer run in 5 seconds at top speed?

A pass through is optimal, every time, in my humble opinion.