Bow Noise ---> 3 under

[Petrichor]

Every bow I have ever tried to shoot 3-under has been louder than split. Don’t know if it’s enough to bother the critters, but it was certainly enough to bother me!!! 

Bisch


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I feel like this is one of the great myths of trad bow.  No offense intended Bisch I love your posts.

When you buy a trad bow and it set up for a style of shooting say split you choose the optimum brace height and nock height and tune the bow and then the arrows.  Then for some reason people grow a wild hair and just randomly shoot three under and of course its louder.  Your bow ain't set up!  I shoot three under but dont advocate one way or the other.  But it bothers the crud out of me when people say its louder to shoot three under. Half of my bows are tillered for split so that's 4 of 8. However all 8 are setup for three under shooting and have never encountered a quieter setup when visiting the local range.  I honestly cant believe how loud the bows I hear there are.  Heres the truth if your bow is setup for three under shooting it will shoot quieter than split.  If your bow is setup for split it will likely be quieter than three under with no changes.  I don't have a decibal reader and have no concrete way of measuring.  However, noise varies bow to bow, by release, type of arrow, and setup all come into play.  I have a bow for instance that is tillered for split and setup for three under.  My friend not 15 feet away around the bend of my house cannot tell it has been shot until the arrow impacts the target.  Its the quietest bow I have and is significantly louder when properly setup for split.  The second quietest I own is a three under tillered for three under. 

All in all I do not mean to rant but of course if you take a car setup for drag racing it will not perform well on a rally course.  I am soooooo tired of split community as a whole trashing three under on noise when they typically wont change anything but their fingers.  I switched from split to battle a non dominant eye issue.  My nocking point changed by less than 1/4 depending on the bow and I have never had a noise issue.  Three under tiller is an "equal" tiller and overall seems to be quieter in my experience.

Rant over.

You are without a doubt the only person I have ever heard say that three under isn't any louder.  In my time as a traditional archer, going on 8 years now, I have owned a ton of bows and not one has been as quiet shooting 3 under as it is while shooting split.  I can take a bow that is set up completely for 3u, not move a single thing, shoot it split and it's still quieter than shooting the bow set up for 3u. 

I would love to see a video of how you set up.  You obviously know something I, nor the rest of this community does about setting up a bow for 3u.  I don't say this at all tongue cheek.   I want to learn your ways if you're getting those type of results.

Couple things that I can say off hand about my setups that probably help and I definitely would love to make a video on it and I may just do so. A great idea to be sure.

1. I make my own strings. Sounds funny but I have experimented extensively with many materials and I have found that d97 produces the quietest strings as far as fast flight is concerned.  I have made strings in everything from 8 strands all the way to 16.  While it sounds crazy I do a full 16 strands and it's super quiet.

2. I shoot my bows slightly nock high.

3. Rest material. Soft leather and super pad I have found are quieter than calf hair and velcro.

4. Ring finger. Mine is simply along for the ride. My pointer and middle finger are hooked on the string at first joint. My ring finger doesnt hardly do any of the pulling it kinda rests there on the pad under slight tension making it so my middle finger isn't pinched or holding all the weight.  This kinda naturally developed for me and it has works very well for me.

5. Now that I am a dedicated 3 under shooter and have been for 5 years now. My newest bow which I was gonna order anyway I got tillered for 3u.

6. Arrows. I shoot decently heavy wood arrows and have for 4 years. My arrow weight is about 600 grains with 190 upfront now. I have found wood arrows to be so pleasantly quiet off shelf compared to carbon or aluminum.

I'll bring a few or my bows to that January hog hunt to let you shoot and see what you think. Perhaps I am full of it but I'd like to think not  .  The biggest factors in noise reduction if I had to guess of the ones I listed are probably string, ring finger tech, and heavy arrows.

[DanielB89]

Personally, once I set the nock point to get a slightly nock-high arrow flight, there’s not much more I can do about the mechanics of a non-ILF bow to get it quiet. 

this is my point.  There is only so much I KNOW how to do on a bow.  I am curious if there is something out there I don't know.  I have NEVER been able to get a bow 3u to be as quiet as the same bow shooting split.  I have one of the quietest longbows i've ever owned, but it is still louder 3u than split and that is shooting them both, both ways. 

[DanielB89]

Every bow I have ever tried to shoot 3-under has been louder than split. Don’t know if it’s enough to bother the critters, but it was certainly enough to bother me!!! 

Bisch


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I feel like this is one of the great myths of trad bow.  No offense intended Bisch I love your posts.

When you buy a trad bow and it set up for a style of shooting say split you choose the optimum brace height and nock height and tune the bow and then the arrows.  Then for some reason people grow a wild hair and just randomly shoot three under and of course its louder.  Your bow ain't set up!  I shoot three under but dont advocate one way or the other.  But it bothers the crud out of me when people say its louder to shoot three under. Half of my bows are tillered for split so that's 4 of 8. However all 8 are setup for three under shooting and have never encountered a quieter setup when visiting the local range.  I honestly cant believe how loud the bows I hear there are.  Heres the truth if your bow is setup for three under shooting it will shoot quieter than split.  If your bow is setup for split it will likely be quieter than three under with no changes.  I don't have a decibal reader and have no concrete way of measuring.  However, noise varies bow to bow, by release, type of arrow, and setup all come into play.  I have a bow for instance that is tillered for split and setup for three under.  My friend not 15 feet away around the bend of my house cannot tell it has been shot until the arrow impacts the target.  Its the quietest bow I have and is significantly louder when properly setup for split.  The second quietest I own is a three under tillered for three under. 

All in all I do not mean to rant but of course if you take a car setup for drag racing it will not perform well on a rally course.  I am soooooo tired of split community as a whole trashing three under on noise when they typically wont change anything but their fingers.  I switched from split to battle a non dominant eye issue.  My nocking point changed by less than 1/4 depending on the bow and I have never had a noise issue.  Three under tiller is an "equal" tiller and overall seems to be quieter in my experience.

Rant over.

You are without a doubt the only person I have ever heard say that three under isn't any louder.  In my time as a traditional archer, going on 8 years now, I have owned a ton of bows and not one has been as quiet shooting 3 under as it is while shooting split.  I can take a bow that is set up completely for 3u, not move a single thing, shoot it split and it's still quieter than shooting the bow set up for 3u. 

I would love to see a video of how you set up.  You obviously know something I, nor the rest of this community does about setting up a bow for 3u.  I don't say this at all tongue cheek.   I want to learn your ways if you're getting those type of results.

Couple things that I can say off hand about my setups that probably help and I definitely would love to make a video on it and I may just do so. A great idea to be sure.

1. I make my own strings. Sounds funny but I have experimented extensively with many materials and I have found that d97 produces the quietest strings as far as fast flight is concerned.  I have made strings in everything from 8 strands all the way to 16.  While it sounds crazy I do a full 16 strands and it's super quiet.

2. I shoot my bows slightly nock high.

3. Rest material. Soft leather and super pad I have found are quieter than calf hair and velcro.

4. Ring finger. Mine is simply along for the ride. My pointer and middle finger are hooked on the string at first joint. My ring finger doesnt hardly do any of the pulling it kinda rests there on the pad under slight tension making it so my middle finger isn't pinched or holding all the weight.  This kinda naturally developed for me and it has works very well for me.

5. Now that I am a dedicated 3 under shooter and have been for 5 years now. My newest bow which I was gonna order anyway I got tillered for 3u.

6. Arrows. I shoot decently heavy wood arrows and have for 4 years. My arrow weight is about 600 grains with 190 upfront now. I have found wood arrows to be so pleasantly quiet off shelf compared to carbon or aluminum.

I'll bring a few or my bows to that January hog hunt to let you shoot and see what you think. Perhaps I am full of it but I'd like to think not  .  The biggest factors in noise reduction if I had to guess of the ones I listed are probably string, ring finger tech, and heavy arrows.

Sounds good! We will see who can kill the most pigs too!  Poor Randy has yet to kill one on a hunt.. poor fella..