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Offline Ronnie Newell

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Trad only season
« on: October 23, 2019, 12:36:53 PM »
Some of you may think I'm in la-la land for what I'm about to bring up but does anyone else agree with me that considering that so many sporting goods companies are pushing for their new mechanical devices such as crossbows and air bows, etc. to be legalized archery equipment that archery season,as it now stands, isn't really anything special. I've been a " dyed in the wool" trad bowhunter since I was a pre-teen and have always been kinda proud to say so but now if I tell someone that it seems to come out as "ho-hum", so what, isn't everyone these days.
 What I'm getting at is that it seems to me that if enough of us stick together and with the right (influential) people involved we might possibly could get our own " little piece of the pie" back.
 I know to this a lot of you may say that I shouldn't worry about what other hunters do. Just do my own thing but personally I see this turning into a commercial "snowball" that doesn't end well. At least not in our favor.
 Just something to think about....

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2019, 12:56:23 PM »
I agree w what you’re saying but here’s the thing, let’s say Trad only was 2 weeks early. How many would grab dads-old recurve from the basement n go just to be out there? How many deer would be wounded by guys that don’t have the skill level or patience to pass shots?
Oklahoma I believe has Trad only areas. Don’t quote me on that it’s what I’ve been told. That could fly easier but I bet still resistance from some.
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2019, 12:59:17 PM »
It would be nice, but most DNR folks don't see it that way. To a lot of them, an arrow is an arrow (or a bolt, as the case may be)
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2019, 01:09:56 PM »
I don't necassarily think there should be trad only seasons so much as archery seasons should only include bows that must be manually drawn and manually held at draw.
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2019, 01:12:33 PM »
Most DNR is more about managing the resource, or getting numbers.  Trad areas or zones would be an option perhaps closer to cities.  San Antonio has some nice bucks in the Greenway as I Mt Bike past them.  I've seem probably one of the top three bucks in my live in there, and a year later his son.
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2019, 01:14:28 PM »
If they entertain a trad only season,  where would it go? Would you be agreeable to a season after rifle and muzzleloader?  How about in August?  Personally I feel like there is too much a muck in special seasons. They should have bow or gun period . No special seasons at all.  Yeah I might get poo pooed for saying no youth season, but they can let the kiddos just accompany an adult, since x guns are legal here they can use those if they need to kill something to justify their participation.
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2019, 01:16:45 PM »
To that end, most deer management people aren't concerned with how you hunt, only with harvest numbers. Their attitude would likely reflect the idea that if you think you are at an unfair disadvantage, even it up by hunting with what gear the laws allow.
They don't get it.
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2019, 01:18:46 PM »
They've opened pandora box with special seasons, where does it end?of course everyone would want prime rut. The antis would love it if hunters started fighting with each other.

Rifle season
Bow season
Muzzleloader season
Trad season
Youth season
Disabled hunter season
X gun season

Next up
Air bow season
Atalatl season
Spear season
Pistol season
Circa 1885 weapons season
Female hunter season
Dog hunting season

At some point there won't be any time left and things will overlap anyway
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2019, 02:09:36 PM »
Like some states that have a primitive only season.
You can shoot inline muzzleloaders and x bows.
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2019, 02:25:55 PM »
People are basically opportunistic.  The easiest method is most favored.  Up north there are canoe only area, "What about us powerboat people, that's not fare", like they are a different race or species.  Sport of any kind is only a sport if it has built in limitations.  As overrun as some of our area public lands get by multiple use and multiple overlapping seasons, it is barely worth it.  It is all about money, like the fight I got into with a local state politician, that would not know which end of a BB gun to point or how to put a worm on a hook, about crossbows.  He must have been paid good money to have such a strong opinion for them.  We got our extended season based on the difficulty of the challenge, not because we are a game management tool. I saw a few tools, last week here in Iowa, repeatedly trying to shoot deer over a quarter mile to nearly a half mile away, then not bother to see if they hit anything. You cannot expect them to walk a half mile just to see if they hit something.  A few years back an area game warden tried to cancel all gun seasons in his county because the majority of the hunters were out of control.  Why should center fire muzzleloaders get special seasons, they have, or at least users think they have, more range than shotguns and most legalized rifles calibers?  Money.  Now if JD Berry and/or Nate Steen will crack open their wallets and pay all stateside Iowa politicians a few thousand dollars, the local state Rep, that would not know how to put an arrow on a bowstring, could get into yelling match about how there needed to be  a longbow only season in Iowa.
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2019, 02:33:27 PM »
Primitive weapon should be just that; not Xbow, in-line black powder.  PA has a muzzle loader season still, I believe that does not even allow cap and ball.  Flintlock only!  I've been out of state for many years though. 
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2019, 02:56:13 PM »
It's all about the money boys, and the sooner you accept that fact the less sleep you'll loose.  Overall numbers of hunters are declining.   The sporting goods industries know that.  They are pushing as hard as they can to diversify the hunting options to keep their sales up.  Sportsmanship, Fair-Chase, Ethics,  no one really gives a rats hinny.   :banghead:

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2019, 02:57:30 PM »
I’m not sure what it is that the OP is trying to accomplish with a “trad only” season.
Currently, by choice, I hunt with a crossbow. I don’t currently have the skill set to feel comfortable taking a shot at a living creature with a Trad set-up. I’m working on it, gonna take a few lessons and I’m blessed that a member here is able to offer advice to me when I ask. I’m currently working on a consistent draw cycle and will then start to tune arrows to my bow. But why would you want to alienate another bow hunter, simply because you don’t agree with my choice of weapon? 

Further, with hunter numbers steadily declining we should be encouraging and including anyone that is interested in trying it in any way we safely can. We need the numbers to both continue to find conservation and to allow those of us with a bent toward hunting to be able to continue to engage in the activity. We truly don’t need any further deviceiveness within our small cadre.
I’m not saying all seasons should be mashed up. I believe that bow season should be separate from all gun seasons. It makes sense to me that way.

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2019, 02:58:41 PM »
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Offline Ronnie Newell

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2019, 03:52:51 PM »
Well now that I've read your comments I guess I have to agree with MOST of you. I had just read an article about large caliber air rifles and the guy said it would shoot an arrow at 500 fps. A LOT faster than a xbow. I was a little twisted off at that time!!!

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2019, 04:10:40 PM »
I think pursuing traditional only areas would be a more productive option...based on how most DNR or FWD are run.
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2019, 04:31:42 PM »
There are a lot of legal hunting weapons that I don't care for, but they are not going away. For example, I recently saw a scope sighted, tripod mounted crossbow. That ain't archery , nor is it primitive. Consequently, I think there should essentially be a firearms season and a non-firearms season, with no other special seasons of any kind. However, I could possibly go along with a special season for genuinely disabled hunters.

 
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2019, 05:17:15 PM »
A couple years back we had an idea to buy a rather large chunk of land, that had enough crop land that it could basically pay for itself. The idea was to have a longbow/wood arrow only leave no trace hunting area, no matter what was being hunted. It got to be a hassle because the current land owner had hunting leases on his property.  Those with that had the lease hired a lawyer and declared that he could bring up court action to force us to adept the current lease contract.  We got all kinds of other threats as well.  i decided hunters that think they got it made are jerks.  We would have ended up fighting trespassing and harassment non-stop, so I backed out of the deal.

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2019, 05:37:55 PM »
My opinion: It would be easier to create a time machine and go back to the pre-compound days than get trad-only season most places. Love the idea, but don’t think it would ever happen. Modern hunting methods are getting more and more political approval, not less.
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2019, 05:49:13 PM »
My opinion: It would be easier to create a time machine and go back to the pre-compound days than get trad-only season most places. Love the idea, but don’t think it would ever happen. Modern hunting methods are getting more and more political approval, not less.

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