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Offline SlowBowKing

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2019, 06:05:02 PM »


*modern killing methods.....hunting is not necessarily involved
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2019, 06:34:35 PM »
Great minds....

Most DNR/FWD seem to be on a race to the bottom. Next to go will be magazine capacity while hunting....want to be inclusive, want to make it easy. 🙄
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2019, 06:39:02 PM »
Think I might be allowed to attach an M67 to end of a wood arrow....within 5 years at this rate of degeneration.
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Offline Todd Cook

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2019, 07:43:48 PM »
I may take some heat for saying this, but we're already too splintered as groups already. I only bowhunt with trad gear, have done so for many years and have no intention of changing. However, here in GA the compounds and crossbows aint going away. Our bowseason comes in in mid sept, and our rifle season has already been in a week.And it stays open till January. What I would love to see is a midwest type season here; bow only till late Nov or early Dec. Me and a couple of the TBG officers have been talking about that, and we agree the only hope of getting something like that through the legislature is to reach across the aisle to the pulley guys. You need lots of numbers to get the DNR to listen.

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2019, 07:54:01 PM »
Todd, I think it will be politically impossible to have a deer season that does not allow rifle hunting during both pre-rut and the rut. I would like to see archery season open Oct. 1st and rifle season on Nov. 1st.
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2019, 08:02:45 PM »
I’m not sure what it is that the OP is trying to accomplish with a “trad only” season.
Currently, by choice, I hunt with a crossbow. I don’t currently have the skill set to feel comfortable taking a shot at a living creature with a Trad set-up. I’m working on it, gonna take a few lessons and I’m blessed that a member here is able to offer advice to me when I ask. I’m currently working on a consistent draw cycle and will then start to tune arrows to my bow. But why would you want to alienate another bow hunter, simply because you don’t agree with my choice of weapon? 

Further, with hunter numbers steadily declining we should be encouraging and including anyone that is interested in trying it in any way we safely can. We need the numbers to both continue to find conservation and to allow those of us with a bent toward hunting to be able to continue to engage in the activity. We truly don’t need any further deviceiveness within our small cadre.
I’m not saying all seasons should be mashed up. I believe that bow season should be separate from all gun seasons. It makes sense to me that way.

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2019, 08:10:07 PM »
I hunt an archery only lease and the ranch we own (3 friends) we only bowhunt for deer.   Both places I am the only bowhunter using traditional equipment.   And that's fine with me.  The compound hunters in the woods do not take away from my ability to successfully hunt.  Even rifle season rolling in beginning of November only seems to push more animals into our places where there is no gunfire going on.  I don't begrudge the others the seasons that their chosen weapon caters to as long as I can continue o hunt with my bow.  However Texas has a long season and liberal bag limit compared to many places and I'm blessed to have multiple places to hunt here.
Other states it's very different in animal numbers and available land to hunt.

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Offline Howitser

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2019, 08:40:48 PM »
To clarify the Pa. Flintlock season regs.
"Flintlock ignition, single barrel long guns mfg. prior to 1800 or a similar reproduction of a original muzzleloading single-barrel long gun 44 caliber or larger, or 50 caliber or larger hand gun using a single projectile. It is unlawful to use a telescopic sights. Late season flintlock hunters are permitted to take an antlered deer or an antlerless deer anywhere in the state with their unused antlered deer tag."

Years back Pa. even specified a patched round ball projectile.
I love this season.
Sorry this wandered from the original thread topic.  A Trad season would be cool but I would be happy if xbows were removed from the archery season.
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2019, 09:12:29 PM »
What I'm about to say is not new.

If you look at the history of bowhunting in this country, it was our modern bowhunting forefathers back in the 1920's-1950's lobbying for things like the privilege to wear camo, and have an extended month-and-a half long season under the argument that archery equipment was low impact and resulted in a negligible harvest of the animals (while simultaneously allowing maximal hunter satisfaction); and that this would not effect game populations in the least.

Their arguments were valid, and this is what enabled them to win the legal battles required to establish these seasons.

However, these arguments were made before even the advent of compounds. It was all recurve and longbows out there; and that's what the seasons were designed for. As far as I'm concerned, compounds don't even belong in our seasons, let alone crossbows.

The hard truth now is that the only result of allowing compounds into our seasons was a boost in the harvest rate of the animals, along with increasing the accessibility of the field to more hunters (including unethical hunters).

However, across the country, DNR's and DEC's see the boost in harvest rate and accessibility as a positive thing. And this is why they are increasingly willing to allow this. After all, there is a lot of pressure on these organizations by the public to REDUCE game populations. And this is what makes game management in 2019 different than in 1947. Back then, due to lack of management, there was a game DEFICIT. In some places (Indiana for instance), deer and turkeys were completely unheard of.

However, game deficits are not the case anymore. In most regions of the country, the deer population is considered to be "at or above carrying capacity", and that is also the case with bears in the catskills. I have spoken with Jeremy Hurst, and every year they are considering adding more and more counties to the early bear season to boost accessibility and increase the harvest rate.

The fact remains though, that our seasons were never designed with accessibility in mind. In fact, one reason these seasons were allowed in, say 1947, when game populations were at a LOW, was because people who possessed the dedication to become effective bowhunters were few-and-far-between and would not significantly affect game populations:

It used to be that a bowhunter was the most die-hard woodsman out there, with the willingness to dedicate his time and energy to practice year round and spend time learning about and building his own equipment, along with dedicating his time in the field to scouting all year. There were no mechanical bows to circumvent this amount of hard work and thus allow other hunters into the field. In fact, back then, there weren't even trail cameras to provide hunters with an avenue to bypass valuable (now-almost-forgotten) scouting techniques, either.

I would like to see state game management organizations devote resources to recruiting and introducing more (ethical) hunters into the field, be they gun hunters, bow hunters, or whatever. This is more of a long term fix to game management than attempting to use archery hunters as management tools, because frankly, we aren't management tools, and were never meant to be either; and it's not right to keep introducing more and more mechanical devices into our season because we don't harvest enough animals. We are supposed to have MINIMAL impact on game populations. Let's leave it that way. From a management perspective, state conservation organizations should attack the real problem: a decline in hunter numbers in general.
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2019, 10:10:50 PM »
Silent footed good stuff.

Guys the reason we are in this mess is NO state or National Bowhunting organization ever stood up for the equipment Bow seasons were created for. Not P&Y not PBS and not a single state. Leadership like that guaranteed failure. I fought the legalization of the compound in the 70s going up against the PA legislature and failed. I fought the compound crossbow early 90s in N.C. spoke to the state senate directly and WON. My state “bowhunters” were so feckless they continued to promote all the letoff that could be developed and 15 years later the NCWRC gave our NCBA a gift of allowing compound crossbows and stealing a second week from bowhunters and gave that to muzzlelosers. I’m DONE!
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2019, 11:21:41 PM »
Thanks Cory! Glad to know someone can relate.

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2019, 12:45:44 AM »
I don't care what others do or what weapon they use to hunt with , in the end it's stupid.

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2019, 08:37:10 AM »
......and stealing a second week from bowhunters and gave that to muzzlelosers. I’m DONE!

 Cory....”muzzlelosers”....really? You’re a better man than that.

Traditional-only seasons would be a losing proposition in many states, due to those states reliance on adequate deer kill numbers by archers. Longbow and recurve guys wouldn’t kill 20% of what the modern archery guys take in any allotted timeframe. There are fewer of us, and our success rates are lower due to the equipment we use. In states like Ohio....If you took 3 weeks from the modern archers and gave it to traditional archers, the resulting decrease in bow kills would benefit one group: the main firearms season. The state would need to hit the targeted kill numbers and guns would be the tool of choice. If you could wave a wand and make all modern archery weapons disappear, deer populations would expand rapidly and so would gun seasons. We would have less quiet time to hunt and more of us would be required to wear blaze orange. Unintended consequences would be severe. No thank you.

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2019, 09:29:39 AM »
Wait a minute. I never suggested taking anything away from anyone. I would be happy with a week after all other seasons! Or at anytime other than " taking away" from someone.
 

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2019, 09:35:32 AM »
Understood Ronnie. However, many seasons for bows are so long that adding additional weeks would require hunting in August or February. Thanks.

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2019, 09:44:21 AM »
I do not understand the bigotry towards other hunting methods.
I agree it would be cool here in Texas if they would run a traditional archery season concurrent with the muzzle loader season.  But with three months prior to that I have had the opportunity to hunt already that two weeks just doesn't seem too needed to me.
Now if you are hunting crowded public land or a small tract surrounded by crowded private property I could see feeling like the hunting pressure makes it more difficult.
But in the end the individual chooses his/her method.  Feeling entitled just because one thinks their method is superior is unbecoming.

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2019, 10:30:05 AM »
 It would be better to take an AREA and set it aside for Trad only archery.State Parks, or public hunting areas etc.,of reasonable size in various parts of a state. Thats where to start,asking for a special SEASON  has little if any chance, especially after reading some of the comments posted. I would be all in support of an AREA set aside for "Trad" archery and think that would have some
merit.

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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2019, 12:42:14 PM »
It would be better to take an AREA and set it aside for Trad only archery.State Parks, or public hunting areas etc.,of reasonable size in various parts of a state. Thats where to start,asking for a special SEASON  has little if any chance, especially after reading some of the comments posted. I would be all in support of an AREA set aside for "Trad" archery and think that would have some
merit.

I like this idea. :thumbsup:
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2019, 01:20:08 PM »
I think pursuing traditional only areas would be a more productive option...based on how most DNR or FWD are run.

Would think most states would be open to the idea of a traditional only WMA
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Re: Trad only season
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2019, 01:57:09 PM »
It would be better to take an AREA and set it aside for Trad only archery.State Parks, or public hunting areas etc.,of reasonable size in various parts of a state. Thats where to start,asking for a special SEASON  has little if any chance, especially after reading some of the comments posted. I would be all in support of an AREA set aside for "Trad" archery and think that would have some
merit.

I like this idea.
Me too!!

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