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Author Topic: Any wood arrow experts...  (Read 3820 times)

Offline anchorman

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Any wood arrow experts...
« on: November 21, 2019, 09:51:43 PM »
I've been shooting carbon shafts for awhile now but have got the urge to shoot woods. I know nothing about getting the right spine or anything. Right now I'm shooting 48lb recurve at my draw length. With my 27 inch draw length and 48 lbs cut past center using 135 grn points where do I start..looking at charts I get kinda confused...thanks

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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2019, 10:11:06 PM »
Hi Anchorman,

This kind of question is dealt with in PowWow.  Probably the moderators will transfer your post over there, so look in PowWow for your answers.

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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2019, 11:34:50 PM »
Give Terry at The Footed Shaft (Or any of the other sponsors) a call, he will walk you through the process and get you set up.
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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2019, 11:38:13 PM »
I'm far from an 'expert', but I've built my share of woodies regardless.

Start HERE:

https://www.3riversarchery.com/pdf/ArrowCharts.pdf

Use the wood shaft chart at the bottom.
Cut past center, with 27" DL, 135gr points and 48#, I would say 55-60 should be a good place to start. (I'm assuming you would be shooting a 29" arrow) You might try calling 3Rivers and talking to one of the pros there.

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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2019, 11:51:36 PM »
X2 on taking to terry. And I wouldn't consider myself an expert but For a 48 pound bow with 27 inch draw and 135 up front I would start with a 50/55 shaft. That said depends on arrow material and shelf which you say is past center so 55/60 may work fine also.  In all reality a lot of things come into play. Additionally you may consider because every bow is different getting a test pack. Usually you can get them for cedars and for the surewood shafts. I'd get a test pack of 50/55 and 55/60 and 60/65 (would probably allow you to play with heavier points) for your current point weight. Good news is wood arrows I find to be forgiving and based on arrow length and point weight have been able to get multiple spine groups to shoot well out of the same bow.  I just got a new bow also and what I did was took the draw weight which was 52lbs at 26 inches and went one weight group up 55/60 and they are perfect. I am using a 160 grain head. Experiment and have fun. Best things about woods are that you can customize them how you like fancy or simple, much cheaper so you wont feel too bad about breaking them, dont usually have to worry about weight issues with the shafts, and my favorite the way they feel and sound when shooting. That thump is unlike anything in the carbon world. Absolutely love it.

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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2019, 11:54:44 PM »
Kirk is being modest. His wood arrows are a thing of beauty.
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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2019, 10:45:00 AM »
The test "kit" is a great way to get started, and remember if the arrow is a bit weak you can always build out the strike plate.  Not so if it's too stiff.
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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2019, 10:59:39 AM »
I like the test kit idea. It will save you a couple hundred bucks in the long run.

I mean ball park for you though would be 45-50 since you're basically shooting a 45 pound bow with that draw length. In fact, it wouldn't be unheard of for you to be able to shoot 40-45's too since you're right on the line at 45 pounds. But with it being center shot, it should run a little heavy if it differs from the recommended spine at all, so you have to account for that: I would say you should test 40-45, 45-50, 50-55, and 55-60. One of those should do it.

Are you using a fast flight string? I'd replace the 40-45's with 60-65's in the test kit, if so.

I'm also assuming you'll leave your arrows at 28" bop.

Man, you really want to be sure of your draw length though...could lead to a lot of frustration otherwise. I can attest.

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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2019, 11:05:34 AM »
Another vote for the test kit. Well worth it in the long run.
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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2019, 11:07:01 AM »
Personally, I use a general rule of 10 lbs over bow weight for 28-29" arrows.  It works for me up to 160 grain broadheads.
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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2019, 12:26:09 PM »
Personally, I use a general rule of 10 lbs over bow weight for 28-29" arrows.  It works for me up to 160 grain broadheads.
Works for me too.  In my experience with wood arrows a little stiff shoots a lot better than too weak of shafts.

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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2019, 01:10:49 PM »
I am not and wood arrow expert you will learn a lot here on Trad gang.
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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2019, 01:14:50 PM »
I also shoot tapered which I think allows a bit stiffer arrow.  Next batch is tapered Maple. (800+ grains)
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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2019, 04:46:39 PM »
Give Steve at Surewood Shafts a call, they offer a test kit also, super great guys to deal with. 


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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2019, 05:59:25 PM »
No expert here either, but shooting and assembling wood arrows exclusively for several years, and into it; and shooting comparable weight bows.... I'll 2nd 55/60's, as Captain Kirk suggested. That's taking into account your draw length, cut past center, and a 28" BOP arrow length. With FF string, and the 135 points. This also agrees with the 10# over bow weight suggestions... in your case. For a bow less center cut, maybe not.

Test kit is,no doubt, a good idea. I also think that with enough feedback here, you'd do OK with a set of what is determined to be closest, and fine tune bow and/or arrow as necessary (arrow length, point weight, strike plate thickness, brace height...).

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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2019, 07:11:37 PM »
I appreciate all the info and I'm not surprised that everyone came.thru...it gives me a starting point .do you all shoot tapered shafts or parrallel or is there much difference...thanks again

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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2019, 07:17:01 PM »
Parallel for me. 11/32 bear paw spruce shafts from kustom king
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2019, 07:33:52 PM »
I am by no stretch an expert, but what works for me after a few years of "experimenting".  Tapered here, and I think it allows a stiffer arrow, plus flight smooths out quicker out of the bow.  Tapered @8-10" to 5/16.
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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2019, 08:30:13 PM »
Parallel for me most of the time. Tried tapered, and I couldn't see the difference in flight, though the theories make sense. What I do like is the fact that tapering wood shafts, I can end up with a lighter arrow (lighter by 20-25 grains or so)... closer to the 10-10.5GPP which I prefer. Woodies are hard to get to that weight for me, with 125-135p up front.
You can run a stiffer spine because the tapering lightens dynamic spine by a couple pounds.Increased spine also means a heavier shaft-usually- up to you if that's a good thing or not.

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Re: Any wood arrow experts...
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2019, 09:06:47 PM »
What I do like is the fact that tapering wood shafts, I can end up with a lighter arrow (lighter by 20-25 grains or so)... You can run a stiffer spine because the tapering lightens dynamic spine by a couple pounds.  Increased spine also means a heavier shaft-usually- up to you if that's a good thing or not.
My tapered shafts are spined were I want them and I run 160-190 grains up front.  Guess I figured out the high FOC with woodies.  Plus, with Maple I need to trim a few grains of weight.  Run @12.5 gpp from 64-66# bows.  Fly straight and hit with a thump!
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