I hunt from the ground and the tree,,, I'm 10' max usually in a tree many times I'm only 6' off the ground... I go in with only two LW ladder sticks to give you an idea but try the tree low to the ground its pretty cool it gets you some better shot angles that are just above the bushes but it feels like shooting from the ground to me,,, you need to find a tree that's nestled into a young pine or better just behind one then trim off a branch or two to shoot thru or something else because the deer will see you like on the ground your background is super important for it to work. .... I have friends that go up to 20' in a tree that's just crazy..