Arrow Paradox

[JAH518]

Sorry if this has been a topic before and I just couldn't find it.

So I've been tuning and think I have arrow flight as good as possible for my abilities. Bare and fletched arrows impact the same spot and angle the majority of the time. When they don't I'm pretty sure it's me.

The question I have is about arrow flexing in flight "Paradox". I set up a camera directly above and behind the target to see the arrow incoming. I've noticed the arrow is still flexing as it impacts the target from 20yds. So I backed up to 25 and still the same. I would have thought the arrow would have stabilized within that distance. Is this normal arrow flight? If not where do I start to correct this?

[Bisch]

The arrow is stabilized as much as it’s gonna get!!! They all flex side to side, all the way to the target. When you are tuned we’ll, you just can’t see it!

Bisch


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[JAH518]

So if I'm only seeing it with a slow motion cellphone camera and not in real time I'm good?

[GCook]

I would say so. Don't over think it.

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[kennym]

Bare and fletched arrows impact the same spot and angle the majority of the time.

At this point I put a broadhead on and shoot 40 yards with a fletched arrow. It will tell you if you're tuned.

[Orion]

Agree with what's already been said.

To beat a dead horse, the paradox is not (equal to) the flexing, of course.  The flexing occurs in response to the paradox.  Arrows shot out of cut past center compounds also flex (though not as much), even though there is no archer's paradox with most compounds.   

[GCook]

Bare and fletched arrows impact the same spot and angle the majority of the time.

At this point I put a broadhead on and shoot 40 yards with a fletched arrow. It will tell you if you're tuned.

That might work for guys shooting a mechanically sided aiming system but I would bet not most instinctive archers.  Especially those shooting 50lbs and under.

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[Wheels2]

Carbons stop flexing faster than aluminum, aluminum faster than wood.
You don't need to worry about it.  You just now have the ability to detect it.
I would worry more that the arrows are spinning correctly and stabilizing.

[JAH518]

Wheels2 - they look to be spinning well in the slow-mo video.


thanks for all the input guys.

[Skipmaster1]

Bare and fletched arrows impact the same spot and angle the majority of the time.

At this point I put a broadhead on and shoot 40 yards with a fletched arrow. It will tell you if you're tuned.

That might work for guys shooting a mechanically sided aiming system but I would bet not most instinctive archers.  Especially those shooting 50lbs and under.

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It’s a great way to check tune. I always check tune by shooting bareshafts st 40 and 50 yards. I also shoot fletched, broadhead tipped arrows at that range. Even if you aren’t incredibly accurate at that range, you can watch what the arrow does in flight, especially with slow motion camera

[GCook]

I can seen how watching the arrow flight would help but not accuracy on target.  At that range I'm happy to hit a target. 

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[Hud]

Smarter Every Day and Byron Ferguson, produced a high speed filming of the archer's paradox.

 

[Jim Casto Jr]

Don't want to get in to a disusstion about it, but there's no such thing as "arrow paradox" and the "Archers Paradox" is not flexing.

Arrows continue to flex until they stop in a target.  You might find this video interesting--or not.    No doubt this archer has a perfectly tuned bow.  Note how the arrow flexes around the riser. 


EDIT:  Found this link that explains the Archers Paradox simply. 

https://understandingarchery.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/the-archers-paradox-may-not-be-what-you-think-it-is/