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Author Topic: What shaft size  (Read 344 times)

Offline Jon Stewart

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What shaft size
« on: April 15, 2008, 04:56:00 PM »
should I use for a  35# at 29".  Thanks.

Offline Leo L.

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2008, 05:31:00 PM »
Me thinks a 2117 would work just fine.  Is your bow cut past center or to center?

Offline MCS

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2008, 05:47:00 PM »
Me don't think so lol. Try 1816's or 1716.

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2008, 06:03:00 PM »
I think Easton has them in shaft sizes smaller then 1716, maybe in 1516 or 1416?

Offline 2-BIG

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2008, 06:22:00 PM »
Jon, are you talking aluminum, carbon, or wood?
I shoot 2117 aluminums with my 55-60lb bows so they are way too stiff for 35#.
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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2008, 06:23:00 PM »
1816 or 1716. I use a 1716 for that, but only draw 26.5 or 27". I think an 1816 at your length with a 145 grain head might be about right.

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Offline Leo L.

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2008, 07:04:00 PM »
Wow those are flimsy arrows.  I don't know if I'd be shooting them that small.

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2008, 07:33:00 PM »
You're young yet.

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Offline Bowspirit

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2008, 08:15:00 PM »
Too stiff, I would say...2117's have an 81# spine if I remember correctly...
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Offline SilverTip

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2008, 08:30:00 PM »
right on Killdeer, I have a collection of 80 and 70 lb Silvertips that get harder to pull everyday. I've dropped from 2219 to 2018 in the last 2 years and still falling.  :)

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2008, 08:36:00 PM »
Jon,
I have a set of #35 limbs for my Quinn recurve and 1816s seem to fly best from this set up. I tried 1916s and 1913s but they aren't quite as good as the 1816s.  I like the 1916s with my #43 limbs.  I have 2117s that are too stiff for even the #43 limbs, so they might not be your best option.  All the above with 125gr points, too.
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Offline Night Wing

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2008, 11:23:00 PM »
I have wanted to post a message to this thread, but I had to wait because I just finished tuning my recurve so here goes. There are lots of variables to each person's bow setup that are never mentioned when it comes to finding the right aluminum arrow at a cut length while matching a recurve's poundage to drawlength. I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers, just trying to get people to think outside of the box. I have a brand new 3 piece, 66" long Blacktail Elite VL takedown recurve bow. It's 42# @ 30" drawlength. The bow is meant to be shot off the shelf with a rug type rest. It's brace height is 7 3/4" and the bow is tillered for one finger over the arrow nock and two beneath. The nockset is 5/8" above square on the bowstring. I anchor with the index finger in the corner of my mouth, not my middle finger. I shoot with a calf skin tab trimmed properly to fit my small finger length. I shoot the old Easton XX78 Super Slam aluminum arrows. I shoot a 150 grain screw-in Wensel Woodsman broadhead. My field target points are 145 grains with a 5 grain brass collar to get the point weight to match the 150 grain WW. I cut and fletch my own arrows. I use a right wing Jo-Jan multi-fletcher that puts a 11 degree right helical twist on my arrows and my feathers are three, 5" long parabolic. My arrows are cut, from the bottom of the arrow nock groove to the end at 31" before the insert is installed. Most people said, 1816, 1916 or 2016 should work. Wrong. All three sizes fish tailed badly and the bowstring hit my left arm for each size. I got hold of one 2114 and one 2213 shaft and made up each arrow. With my arrow setup, the 2114 made the bowsting just slightly hit my left arm near the underside of my wrist with a 150 target point weight. The 2213 flew like a dart, while hitting where I looked and the bowstring didn't hit my left arm. But, when I took off the 150 grain target point and screwed in the 150 grain Wensel Woodsman broadhead, the arrow had a slight fish tail to it in flight, barely noticeable in flight, but I could tell. In other words, the extra length and width of the broadhead made the 2213 weak in spine compared to the field point. The bowstring still did not hit my left arm. I remember the old Easton arrow spine  charts of the middle 70's. For every inch over 28", add 3 pounds of weight and since I draw 30", that brings the theoretical weight of my Blacktail, from 42 to 48 pounds. Back then, the favorite broadhead weight was 125 grains. When going above this weight, from 145-150 grains, add 5 pounds to the bow's weight. Doing so makes the bow 53 pounds. Now, today's Easton charts for recurve bows are way out of line with reality. But, I decided to use the longbow column and with a 150 grain point weight, that puts my correct arrow spine in Group G for a 31" arrow. In that group, my two choices that I chose were a 2215 and 2117. Tried both today and the 150 grain field point and the 150 grain WW broadhead fly like darts and shoot where I look and the bowstring does not hit my left arm. In other words, experiment and go against conventional wisdom and you might like the results.
Blacktail TD Recurve: 66", 42# @ 30". Arrow: 32", 2212. PW: 75 Grains. AW: 421 Grains. GPP: 10.02
Blacktail TD Recurve: 66", 37# @ 30". Arrow: 32", 2212. PW: 75 Grains. AW: 421 Grains. GPP: 11.37

Offline Abel

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2008, 12:00:00 AM »
When your draw length is 30", you'll have results that differ from us mortals! Your bowstring will never hit your arm if you bend it a little more.

2117 is 400 spine. Thats not a good spine recommendation for a 35# bow.
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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2008, 08:24:00 AM »
Jon,  1816 Aluminum or a 5/16" 40/45 Cedar.

Night, I am not following you on the string slap thing.

Offline Night Wing

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2008, 10:25:00 AM »
Badger,

I don't use an arm guard so the string slap might be  due to too soft for spine in a 2114. It may be due to how I grip my Blacktail. It may be due to how my left arm is bent. I don't shoot three fingers under. These are the variables that I think are never mentioned. I figure a properly spined arrow won't make a bowstring slap your arm. I like to tune my bow and arrow setups in short sleeve shirts so I can feel the string hit my arm. The only time I use an arm guard is when I'm hunting in long sleeve camo clothes and the armguard is to keep the fabric against my arm so the bowstring doesn't accidentally catch on the loose material during the release of the arrow. The 1816, 1916 and 2016 arrows made my bare left arm look like road rash. The 2114 was approaching the proper spine and barely touched my arm so I knew if it was doing this with a field point, the broadhead tipped arrow would make it worse. My surprise was the 2213. The bowstring didn't hit my arm with the field point or the broadhead, but the broadhead tipped 2213 had a barely noticeable fish tail to it, but the field point on the 2213 flew like a dart. Hence, I had to go up in spine and since I could remember the  Easton charts from 30 years ago, I kind of figured a 2215 or a 2117 would be the correct arrow spine.  The problem is Easton's arrow chart for recurve bows. It is way off! So, I looked at the longbow column to see if the information from 30 years ago, would give me a 2215 or a 2117 arrow and it did. On a wild hair, I'm going to fletch up one 31" long, 2216 with my arrow setup and see if my 66", 42# @ 30" Blacktail can handle a 150 grain field point and  my 150 grain Wensel Woodsman broadhead. The 2216 shouldn't work and it isn't in Group G, but I want to see if my Blacktail can handle it.
Blacktail TD Recurve: 66", 42# @ 30". Arrow: 32", 2212. PW: 75 Grains. AW: 421 Grains. GPP: 10.02
Blacktail TD Recurve: 66", 37# @ 30". Arrow: 32", 2212. PW: 75 Grains. AW: 421 Grains. GPP: 11.37

Offline Hoytman

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2008, 07:03:00 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Night Wing:
 I remember the old Easton arrow spine  charts of the middle 70's. For every pound over 40 pounds, add 3 pounds of weight. That brings my theoretical weight of my Blacktail, from 42 to 48 pounds.
Was this based on drawing a bow past 28", or anything over 40 lbs.

Is that to say that my 57# recurve is 17 # over 40. So  add 3 # X 17 = 51 # to be added to my 57 # draw weight for a total of 108# arrow spine?

I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ here. I am just curious. I don't know if I misunderstood (easily done) or miscalculated your formula.

Now that I typed this and re-read it, I think you are saying that if my bow is 57# @ 28" and I pull 30", I should add 6 # of draw weight to my spine. That makes sense to me. There would be more force in 1 inch past the bows designed full draw then there would be in 1 inch in the early part of the draw.

I would assume the same would be true in under drawing a bow. Only it would be a subtraction.

Take it easy on me guys. I'm new to this.
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Offline Night Wing

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2008, 09:28:00 AM »
Hoyt, that is what I meant. The long post I made I had to edit a few times to get the typos and other stuff I didn't quite get right before I acutally posted it. I missed that one. I'll go back and edit it.
Blacktail TD Recurve: 66", 42# @ 30". Arrow: 32", 2212. PW: 75 Grains. AW: 421 Grains. GPP: 10.02
Blacktail TD Recurve: 66", 37# @ 30". Arrow: 32", 2212. PW: 75 Grains. AW: 421 Grains. GPP: 11.37

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2008, 05:57:00 PM »
I don't know jon, sounds technical.  Maybe you should just grab arrows and shoot em LOL

Offline Diamond Paul

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Re: What shaft size
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2008, 11:23:00 AM »
Night, does your bow have a dacron string?  If so, that is why it hits your arm, has nothing to do with arrow choice.  If not, it's a form problem.  Plucking the string will cause arrows to fishtail, too.  I shoot over 29" draw on a 64" Wes Wallce recurve, ff string, 49-50lbs at my draw, and a 2016 with 175grns up front shoots just fine.  Try bare shaft planing your arrows, and I believe you'll find they are stiff for what you are shooting.  As to the original question, whoever suggested 1716 or 1816 is right; one of those will work.
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