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Author Topic: Is it just me??  (Read 3343 times)

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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2020, 08:55:36 AM »
Other than game laws , you only have to answer to yourself.

I put trail cams on the lease I manage for a neighbor lady so I can show the fellows coming to hunt what we have, but I still have to know where to put a cam to get a deer pic. Baiting for cams or hunting illegal here.  Before salt or minerals became illegal, I had a couple licks for pics and for deer needs.

I have never killed a buck I had pics of so that's out the window.  I did find a deadhead that a bud had pics of 3.04 miles away.

Cameras don't guarantee kills.

Do what blows your skirt up, you only have to answer to yourself in the end .  (or the game warden)  :)
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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2020, 09:01:57 AM »
Guys make me shake my head sometimes. The point is I’m looking to see if anyone besides me hunts like a man to put it bluntly. No one said cameras guarantee anything. It’s just the person being 100 percent involved w no technology. No judgement if you use it.Guess I gotta spell that out. And if I’m sick of the trail cam pics why would someone put them on here? As Bill Engvell said, here’s your sign.
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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2020, 09:35:11 AM »
I don't have any problem with those who are using them. Some think it is less sporting or that whoever uses them is lazy, etc. I don't feel this way. Whatever side of this question one is on, I simply see it as the way one prefers to proceed. I have never used one except to discover what was damaging my wife's rose garden. My position is that this is simply a personal choice with no moral implications.
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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2020, 10:13:23 AM »
"The point is I’m looking to see if anyone besides me hunts like a man to put it bluntly."
"No judgement if you use it."
Excuse ME?
I'm not a man if is use a trail camera to take pictures of wildlife in my own backyard?!
Your two sentences are mutually exclusive. Please clarify what you mean.
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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2020, 10:18:33 AM »
To answer the real question, yes some people do hunt without cameras and all the latest blinds on the ground or in the sky.  Others decide or more lijely justify the use of this gadget or that with long winded arguments or simple phrases such as you couldn't kill a deer where I hunt.  Of course, the obvious point is that it is't supposed to be easy, and hunters of days long ago could so why not you!

Further many are blind to the fact that the more modern gadgetry you employ the less of yourself is invested in the pursuit. So, the less YOU did means there is less for you to brag about. Of course these people try to deflect by mentioning fiberglass, or the vehicle you drove, your phone etc.  But these things do not help you once you step in the woods any more than walking to the woods or any message delivered any other way prior to actual hunting.  The fiberglass and other materials comments are a favorite attempt at deflection tactic and one of the most ridiculous.    Fiberglass and other materials have made traditional equipment easier to produce effeciently and more tolerant of weather. Actual performance and ease of use is not significantly different than a well designed composite bow of centuries ago.

Also it us absolutely sad that so many want the government to determine what is ethical by their claims of whatever is legal is ok!  Sad!  Our ability to vote and express opinions are where those laws come from!  Hence get in the game and hve a thought.  Just saying whatever legal is ok is just abdicating your responsibility while pretending to have a deep thought.

HOWEVER,  that all being said, the amount of modern gadgetry one uses should be within the legal boundaries and then within their own personal boundaries.    I know that I hear all the time that hunting from the ground with trad bows and no blind is nearly impossible.  Well, my wife and I have taken numerous deer that way as have our children.  In fact, ur youngest took his first trad bow buck on the ground with no blind at 12 years old hunting by himself. His second buck was two seasons later.  No cameras were used to pattern any of our deer.  Although cameras were out over the late summer and spring just for our enjoyment.  They were pulled well before the season.

We have a group of gun hunters across the road who use all the modern equipment they can.  They never shoot a deer scoring under 140.  They come up from out of state for opening weekend of gun season and within a couple of days all 3 have shot their trophy for the year.  Works for them.  Because this is a game rich area it doesn't bother me a bit.  In fact, they are great guys and we all get along great.  But where public land and land shared by many hunters comes into play, I admit the excuses for buying your shot could get bothersome.  Hence, get active and have a genuine opinion.  Express it and vote it.

Above all we should stay civil to each other.  I think the need to know we aren't alone in our pursuits and ideas that define us are what generate these topics.  So, rest assured that others do pass on cameras completely.

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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2020, 10:24:15 AM »
Guys make me shake my head sometimes. The point is I’m looking to see if anyone besides me hunts like a man to put it bluntly. No one said cameras guarantee anything. It’s just the person being 100 percent involved w no technology. No judgement if you use it.Guess I gotta spell that out. And if I’m sick of the trail cam pics why would someone put them on here? As Bill Engvell said, here’s your sign.

Hunt like a Man???  Do you mean by scouting months out of the year? Do you mean by going miles and miles on foot past everyone else? Do you mean driving 100+ miles by river in 3 days to get to the spots no one else will when it’s flooded? Do you mean spending 2 weeks packed in the mountain without a shower to get to where the elk are? The list goes on an on......
oh by the way, I use aerial photography to pre scout spots, I also use trail cams to get an idea of what deer are using the spots I scout in the off season to get an idea of who is in the area and where they will be during our hunting season.
if you doubt my manhood, work ethic, and commitment and how and where I hunt based upon whether I use trail cams or not then your being narrow minded...
« Last Edit: April 29, 2020, 11:14:37 AM by Crittergetter »
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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2020, 10:42:06 AM »
"I’m looking to see if anyone besides me hunts like a man" - Bowguy67


I'd bet there's a dating app that can help you out with that.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2020, 03:54:12 PM by Hackbow »

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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2020, 10:51:36 AM »
Bowguy, what set you off? Did you open the thread I started "2020Trail Camera Pics?" Trad Gang has had an annual Trail Cam Pic thread since I joined. What did you expect to see there?
« Last Edit: April 29, 2020, 02:26:54 PM by achigan »
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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2020, 10:58:31 AM »
Well, I have hunted a small farm for over 30 years.  My son and I are the only ones who hunt it.  The last 3 or 4 seasons, neighbors on adjoining property have been setting up cameras over feeders.  the effect of the feeders has been to draw the deer off of the place I hunt to the easy pickins.  I can hear the feeders going off they are so close to the property I hunt. How we hunt can and does affect others.
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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2020, 11:27:33 AM »
Lots of good perspective and advice offered by Witherstick.  I've always found it paradoxical that on the one hand, folks chose a low-tech hunting weapon like a longbow or recurve, but then employ many other technologies and practices to make the hunt easier.  Society and societal norms have changed over the years.  Nowadays, most folks want it now and they usually want it as easily as possible. For me, I still get the most out of hunting by putting as much of myself into it as I can. That means no cameras, no bait, no food plots, no scents, no scent controlling clothing, no 4-wheelers, etc.  I do wear camouflage at times.  Hope that doesn't make me a bad person. :bigsmyl:

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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2020, 11:47:59 AM »
    I'm with David Mitchell on this one. Hunting a small farm surrounded by neighbors that are running corn piles and cams is hard to keep up with unless you are doing the same. I'm not a fan of the corn pile ordeal but you've got to have a way to keep deer around once the acorns are gone if you own a small farm. Otherwise your hunts are going to be rather uneventful regardless of "how" you decide to hunt the property.

   The other option is public land, which baiting is illegal. Public can be fun, but crowded. Especially during the rut, not knocking non residents but Ohio's non resident tag is one of the cheapest I know of in the mid-west area, which adds another obstacle for local guys trying to hunt public. So as far as hunting the public land goes I'm going to try and use as much as I can in order to be successful as I am essentially competing against many others. I still take my trad bow though, maybe its nuts but that is what I prefer to bowhunt with exclusively..

So my conclusion is, we are all hunting with Trad bows, which is pretty cool. Why does it matter whatever else you decide to use in your strategy? It doesn't, just as long as you're having fun and staying legal it's all good.  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2020, 12:54:10 PM »
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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2020, 02:05:38 PM »
Lots of good perspective and advice offered by Witherstick.  I've always found it paradoxical that on the one hand, folks chose a low-tech hunting weapon like a longbow or recurve, but then employ many other technologies and practices to make the hunt easier.  Society and societal norms have changed over the years.  Nowadays, most folks want it now and they usually want it as easily as possible. For me, I still get the most out of hunting by putting as much of myself into it as I can. That means no cameras, no bait, no food plots, no scents, no scent controlling clothing, no 4-wheelers, etc.  I do wear camouflage at times.  Hope that doesn't make me a bad person. :bigsmyl:

Wait you use camouflage?  Men don’t use such gadgetry in the noble pursuit of game. :goldtooth:
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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2020, 02:11:56 PM »
Guys make me shake my head sometimes. The point is I’m looking to see if anyone besides me hunts like a man to put it bluntly. No one said cameras guarantee anything. It’s just the person being 100 percent involved w no technology. No judgement if you use it.Guess I gotta spell that out. And if I’m sick of the trail cam pics why would someone put them on here? As Bill Engvell said, here’s your sign.
You see the fly in the ointment is in the statement "The point is I'm looking to see if anyone hunts like a man like me to put it bluntly. " which infers you think those who don't hunt as you do aren't men or real hunters.  Which is why you've gotten response that has you shaking your head.
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« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2020, 02:18:54 PM »
Why do you guys want to put a negative spin on his comment?  Wouldn't it be better to assume something different--like a tongue-in-cheek statement? It appears to me that so often on internet boards the negative spin is assumed rather than the positive.  Now, you can jump on me for seeing the glass half full rather than half empty.  :biglaugh:
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« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2020, 02:26:53 PM »
 "The point is I'm looking to see if anyone hunts like a man like me to put it bluntly. " :laughing:

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Re: Is it just me??
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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2020, 03:31:10 PM »
Guys make me shake my head sometimes. The point is I’m looking to see if anyone besides me hunts like a man to put it bluntly. No one said cameras guarantee anything. It’s just the person being 100 percent involved w no technology. No judgement if you use it.Guess I gotta spell that out. And if I’m sick of the trail cam pics why would someone put them on here? As Bill Engvell said, here’s your sign.

as mentioned in other posts in this thread, no one should give a hoot what anyone does as long as its legal and ethical.

besides the specificity of weaponry used, we don't condone high fence hunts.  the rest is up to discretion.  if there is a hunting tool or method that you don't like, but is legal and ethical, respectfully, just keep it to yourself, please. 

i don't think anyone should have to be put into a position to defend their legal and ethical manner of hunting.  all yer doing is stirring up a nasty pot.  it's counter productive to the core focus and goals of trad gang, and divides the community ... and we can all see that happening in this thread already.

next we'll be getting yet another rash of "only real bowhunters use wood arrows" or "HMPE strings are better than dacron" or "you ain't a real bowhunter unless yer pulling 60# or better", etc etc etc.  geez louise.

let it all go, please.

thank you.

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Re: Is it just me??
« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2020, 03:55:49 PM »
Sorry Rob I posted before I saw your intercession which I am grateful for.
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« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2020, 04:06:48 PM »
Sorry Rob I posted before I saw your intercession which I am grateful for.

not at all a problem, sir  :thumbsup:
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