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Re: Snuffers!
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2020, 07:47:02 AM »
I did not know that Woodsmans and Snuffers were made at the same factory. The factory grind issues I have run into with Woodsmans were rare -- about one package out of the 5 or so I have bought.

On those WWs with a bad factory grind, the grind was so far off that they had waves in the edges that make it impossible to sharpen them without reworking the grind -- a file would not touch the low spots in the factory edge. They were a mess, so I just tossed them in a box and figured I would get to them some day. The old Snuffers I found are pretty perfect.

I think you are correct in that a belt sander would be the best way to level out the grind of those old WWs and I'll give that a try when I have some time.
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2020, 06:05:22 AM »
Sounds like you got some really bad ones Joe.

  If ya blunted the tips, they would make great small gamers.  I did that to the ones I buggered up over the years.  I just used a white paint marker to identify them with stripes down the blades.
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2020, 06:54:04 AM »
Good idea, Terry. I think I'll do that.
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2020, 09:11:41 AM »
There were several iterations of Snuffers over the years.  Origin of the head was back in the 60's, Dad was taking Ben Pearson Deadheads apart and soldering them back together as 3 blade heads.  There were both large and small versions from the 2 deadhead sizes.  They ended up being called "biscuit cutters" and collectors seek them.  I've posted pics of both sizes here in the past.

The original Snuffer "factory" was our garage back home.  Dad was a machinist and built all the presses, grinders etc himself.  I spent lots of hours as a kid putting Snuffers together.  They were built at home from around early 80's to about 1990 when the business was sold to Delta Industries in Iowa.  Main drivers for that (as Dad told me in conversations over the years) were 1. Dad was tired of 2 full time jobs 2. Head size was standardizing at 125 gr in the industry and he did not want to compromise the design by making smaller heads, 3. He realized that no one in the family had the capability or interest to continue the business.  I was starting college then and was interested in science. He was also looking towards buying land and leaving Ohio.

Delta had the heads for several years.  They had some trouble with heat treat occasionally I've heard.  They also started smaller sizes.  I've seen 145s 125s and 110s in grain weight.  Original Snuffers were 160/165 without adaptors and 1 1/2 inch diameter.  Smaller ones were just ground down versions.  Less metal.  Not redesigned.

Delta sold to Magnus, I'm not sure of date, but thinking early 2000s.  I bought a box of seconds from Mike around that time.  Never heard anything bad about Magnus made Snuffers.  He was making the Wensel heads during the same time period.  Wensel heads were built on the same ferrule as Snuffers.  The ferrule was the real innovation, Dad designed the punch press to make those, there were a bunch of punch stages from flat sheet stock..15 or 17 stages something like that.

One of Dads stories about the head was handing one to Fred Bear at a sportsmans show in the early 80's...Fred said..."Nice head...WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR FERRULES?"

The last I knew Thunder Valley (from Louisiana or MS maybe?) Had the head, they probably had woodsmans too.  I know Dad talked quite a bit with the owner and I met him at Compton in MI one year.  One time Dale from 3 Rivers was talking about the heads too, have no idea if that went anywhere.

I have my own stash of around 200 of thg he 160's, so I think I'm covered  :)

It would be nice to see the head on the market again, though.

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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2020, 09:38:01 AM »
Thanks for the history, Ryan. The original six 160s I bought from your dad in the 1980s must have been made in the garage. I still have them and they are in perfect condition.

Like I said, I was surprised to find the 125s in my archery stuff. I had thought they were long gone. I figure they will do a good job on deer this year, and a bear in Canada next June.

I have always thought the snuffer was a great design. The lethality of a three-blade head is pretty impressive.
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2020, 09:40:17 AM »
Great stuff Ryan.

Joe... hold onto the 160s... those are the bomb!!!
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2020, 10:07:37 AM »
Good stuff... Thanks for the history Ryan!!!
I keep watching for 160 grainers, but I'm always a day late & dollar short... I too hope someone picks up manufacturing em again!
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2020, 11:24:55 AM »
Love the history Ryan!  Thank you!  Ryan got me on Snuffers in early 2000 and I've been shooting them ever since. The edge Ryan can put on one is scary!

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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2020, 03:43:39 PM »
160’s are awesome and desirable.  Keep my eyes open for them.
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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2020, 06:24:15 PM »
my 1st kill with a snuffer was a liver shot pass through on a duck n roll buck.  50 yard trail to a bedded up dead 6.

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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2020, 12:22:39 AM »
 What Ryan said was 100% fact and then some.  I did a story for the American Broadhead Collectors Club newsletter way back in the late 1970's.  Visited the Rothhaar homestead outside Bucyrus, Ohio several times.  I started using the big Snuffer's and the results were fantastic !  Roger would sign his books as they were published and make sure I got one !  BTW, he was a great shot .......He introduced me to Donnie Assenheimer and I started shooting his bows. What a super combo.  I was real active in the Michigan Bow Hunters during that time shooting Snuffers and I recall most of the other bow hunters laughed at me for using those real "heavy" broadheads !!!  I got the last laugh   :biglaugh:  I still have my batch of the first Snuffers I got from Roger.  You can't hardly destroy them .......just keep sharpening them !!  Tom Rogers  AKA "Horserod"

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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2020, 06:59:21 AM »
Great stuff and history thanks for posting.
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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2020, 01:14:48 PM »
Ryan,
I bought many 'seconds' from your dad, actually your mother, after sorting them out at the family kitchen table.  Thanks for the memories.
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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2020, 07:11:39 AM »
I sharpen them with automotive body sandpaper on a stone counter top or a piece of glass.  I start with 400 grit and go to 600 grit.  I tried to change the blade angle years ago with one of the file and stone tools set for the new angle but it doesn't change the very tip.
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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2020, 01:32:29 PM »
Ive been using the 160s since I went back to trad bows in 1992............... They just work.........
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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2020, 07:45:45 PM »
Amen!!!
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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2020, 09:22:53 AM »
I rummaged around and found my 6 original 160 gr, Snuffers. Like I said, I got these from Roger in person in the 1980s. I rigged one up on an arrow. By my rough calculations, this arrow should be close to tuned, and I will test shoot it once it stops raining here.

Darn nice head. It gets razor sharp very easily, and that 1.5" diameter cut is impressive.

I do envy you guys who have a large supply of them. Like I said before, I only have 6 of the original 160 grain, and 12 of the later-issue 125 grain.
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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2020, 09:43:42 AM »
Well, my rough guess was correct. The 160 gr. original Snuffer that I put on a shaft shoots great. It results in an arrow that will average 505-510 gr.

The quality of the steel is very good. Getting the head razor sharp was quick and easy.

I might try this combo on whitetails this season.
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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2020, 10:19:37 AM »
I only have 5 of the 160’s left. Nice heads
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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2020, 01:00:49 PM »
Smokin Joe, expect short blood trails.
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