Okay. (Deep breath). I tend towards the unorthodox, and my ring finger to corner of mouth with middle finger laying next to thenostril bulge was working pretty well, but I was getting nock pinch and gradually wearing away the skin on my index knuckle nearest the tip. I thought a bit about it and tried two things. First, I raised my bow hand a bit. That helped alot. Then I did the unorthodox. I moved my anchor to index finger to.........the orbit bone of my right eye directly placing my arrow autpmatically and perfectly under the CENTER of my pupil. In under 20 minutes I was hitting everything at all yardages out to 30 yds within an inch or two. Bow was quiet, no nock pinch, smooth arrow flight. If you are having a porpoise arrow situation with a highnock, maybe try it. (Dang! I feel like Bob Ross with little happy clouds).