Hill style build need help

[Flem]

Cant help you with the Wesley, but I think I still have the specs for a 50# Big 5. Which measurements are you looking for?

[Danjoseph]

I was looking for ntn,fade depth, tip depth,riser length,fade Width ant tip width...I guess that covers it all!
Why is it so hard to get the specs for a  Wesley?....
Thanks.

[Flem]

All those numbers are subjective depending on the bow length, weight and draw length. For instance, you want the specs for a 64", 30#@26" Wesley? 
In reality the specs from one Hill model to the next, are probably not going to be dramatic. The big difference is the Wesley has 5 lams, which is likely why its hard to find specs. Five lam bows are glue heavy and a pain in the a$$ to lay-up.

[Danjoseph]

  okay....but I like what I hear about it and want the specs to build something similar I don't care what ntn length....(just for the record I want to build a 66" ntn)
Actually any Wesley longbow specs would be nice to have...but closer to 50-60#@28 would be ideal I will build to that same specs be it a 66" ntn or even a 68" ntn... I shoot a 60#@28" rd bow that I made some years ago...

[garyschuler]

I’ve got some specs from the old Hill gang website. I will see if I can find them and post.

[Danjoseph]

Thanks!! I look forward to it..

[Flem]

OK, I know its not exactly what you are looking for, but I did find the Big 5 specs in my shop notes.
So here you go. The main difference seems to be 4 lams for the Big 5 and 5 lams for the Wesley. Plus the Wesley has a lam running up the ramps. Big 5 lams are all on the back, the way Howards personal bows were built.

Specs: My notes say this bow was built in 98' by Craig Ekin. 68" NTN, 50#@28. Thickness; bottom limb @ fade .408, @ nock .290.  Top limb @ fade .402, @ nock .270. Thickness at bow center .470. Thickness measurements do not include glass, except for at the tips, which include a .050 tapered glass wedge. Accounting for a margin of error, the total limb thickness taper is .004 per inch.

Width; @ bottom limb fade 1.20", @ bottom nock .500. Width @ top limb fade 1.150", at top limb nock .500

It has a 15" symmetrical riser, with a 4" grip area. Top limb is 35" from nock to bow center. Bottom limb is 33" from nock to bow center.

The thickness measurements were made with digital calipers, but still have some room for error, couple thousands maybe.

[Longcruise]

Here's a link to a pretty much inactive web site that was/is??? Maintained by Dick Wightman. You can find a lot of hill and hill style bow info there and a lot of fun reading.

http://www.dickwightman.com/archeryactivity/dicksarcheryactivities.html

[garyschuler]

Longcruise  nails it. That is the info I have also. It is from the old Dick Wrightman posts.

[mmattockx]

http://www.dickwightman.com/archeryactivity/dicksarcheryactivities.html

I found no technical info at all there?


Mark

[Flem]

A lot of Dick Wightmans stuff is hard to find these days. I don't think you will get detailed specs from these sites, but still fun to read and maybe glean some useful info.

http://dickwightman.com/oldphartsarchery/bowbuilding/gallery/bowsmade.html
http://www.dickwightman.com/howardhill/hhsindex.html

[Longcruise]

Flem got the right links. 

[Danjoseph]

Thanks guys for all the info... I'll check out the links above...Flem the specs you gave are nice to have...but I wish I could know the butt thickness of that tip wedge...the taper of .004 most probably is more I think..it would be nice if someone with a bow could actually measure it and post first hand 
Info... because then the length of the tip wedge and the thickness just before the beginning of the tip wedge would give enough info to actually calculate the forward taper...

[Danjoseph]

Flem I just took another closer look at the specs above. I calculated that the forward taper is closer to 0.0066"/inch...

[Flem]

The tip wedge butt was .050

[Danjoseph]

My mistake I didn't slow down and read your earlier post...you did put that in ... 
That fade thickness is it only the wood stack or does it include the glass thickness as well...

[Flem]

Allow me to quote myself;

"Thickness measurements do not include glass, except for at the tips, which include a .050 tapered glass wedge."

None of the measurements included back or belly glass, only the tip wedges. Tip wedge thickness at the nocks was hard to calculate, but I guessed them at about .040" +/- a few thousands

[Danjoseph]

Yeah Flem...I got that... thanks....

[mmattockx]

A lot of Dick Wightmans stuff is hard to find these days. I don't think you will get detailed specs from these sites, but still fun to read and maybe glean some useful info.

http://dickwightman.com/oldphartsarchery/bowbuilding/gallery/bowsmade.html
http://www.dickwightman.com/howardhill/hhsindex.html

Thank you, sir. The first link includes lam details and stack thicknesses for most of the bows, which should help OP some.


Mark

[Danjoseph]

Guys so many of you are hill style Longbow hunters and have tonnes of hill style bows ....please chime in and give me some actual specs to work with or does everyone who aspires to make a hill bow for themself need to experiment and reinvent the wheel?