John was a good shooter. Swing draw shooter and came to Hill much later in life. I dont think he shot like John much and certainly not shooting field.
Lots of what John thought as then is nowhere taught today and rarely is used much. He had a great memory for his arrow trajectory out to 100yds and could not stand with Howard even as an older man at the line.
Exibition he was good. Did HH shoot like him not one bit.
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I’d really like to know where you are getting your information. Howard Hill was a target archer for many years, also a exhibition shooter. He also was a hunter. The style Hill taught John was a hunting style.
You ask if HHill shot like him, I’m assuming the him is Schulz? Hill taught John so yes John shot like Hill not the other way around lol.
Where and when did you see John Schulz shoot “at the line” against Hill?
Just because the Hill method taught to John isn’t used as much now in noway changes its effectiveness. Look at how the average shooter shoots now, do you really think they come close to John Schulz?
Have you actually seen Hill shoot in the old movies? Have you watched John Schulz shooting? If you don’t think they are shooting the same something is disconnected. Where are you seeing Howard Hill field target shooting?
Unless you were taught personally by Howard Hill or can our shoot either Hill or Schulz we can disregard anything you have to say about how they shot period.
This is a horse that has been dead a long time ago, but continues to be beaten over and over. What we have is thousands of people over the years that try and fail at the Hill style taught to John Schulz. They either never put in the time and effort required, or tried some short cut or some modifications to the style. Then they are convinced that their failure is proof the style doesn’t work. The problem with this conclusion is there are a lot of people that instead of attempting short cuts and modifications ,just listened to the man that actually knew Hill and knew how to shoot. They followed the instructions and found it not only works but is very accurate and the best style for hunting.
I have never once in my life met anyone that put in the time and effort, learned the Hill style, became good at it, and then decided a target stance and 10 second hold at full draw worked better. I have known about 50 people personally that tried and failed, everyone’s failure was one of two things. Not practicing enough, or trying to modify the instructions.
To quote John Schulz( who actually knew Hill) “there’s some that know and some that think they know” It ain’t hard to see the difference.