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Author Topic: Black Bear Tips and Tactics UPDATED 9/13  (Read 5393 times)

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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2021, 11:27:26 AM »
Thanks for the tips Gun, I bought some liquid smoke from my buddy who got one last year and I plan to use it quite a bit. Along with bacon grease and whatever else smelly stuff i can get my hands on.

Yooper traveller, I'll keep that in mind if I need some help, thanks! I'm not allowed to use barrels on public land as I don't have access to any private land, but I appreciate the offer! I'll just be using heavy logs and stuff to cover my bait.

Good luck Mark!

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I drew a coveted Baldwin tag in 2019 and used a honey burn and also a bacon grease burn.  Both smelled wonderful to me sitting on stand, but didn't yield a single bear sighting.  I spent 52-54 hours on stand that week, and never even saw a bear.  It was sunny and 86-90 degrees everyday, so I'm sure that came into play.  On top of that, the guy I had running baits for me was in there too much I think.  We had trail cam pics of at least two bears that I know would have gone over 400lbs for sure, and several smaller ones, but all at 1-4am.  That's how it goes, never know the weather, berry or acorn crops, or other guys/dogs, etc...  I did have a nice 8-point under me I would have liked to have shot, but season wasn't open yet.  Also, saw my first bobcat in 39-seasons hunting Northern MI. 


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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2021, 08:56:57 AM »
Thanks for the tips Gun, I bought some liquid smoke from my buddy who got one last year and I plan to use it quite a bit. Along with bacon grease and whatever else smelly stuff i can get my hands on.

Yooper traveller, I'll keep that in mind if I need some help, thanks! I'm not allowed to use barrels on public land as I don't have access to any private land, but I appreciate the offer! I'll just be using heavy logs and stuff to cover my bait.

Good luck Mark!


That’s a fine method.  You will discover how strong the coons are that way.  I took a 400plus pounder as he was rolling s logs. 
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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2021, 09:18:23 AM »
The first time you walk in to the bait and it looks like a stick of dynamite blew all the logs out you’ll know.
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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics
« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2021, 05:28:18 PM »
Hey guys, another quick question, really for anyone in the northern Michigan/Wisconsin area. I really hate to count my chickens before they're hatched, but I'd just like to be a bit prepared should I need to be. Any recommendations on a good bear taxidermist? I've looked at lots of taxidermy websites and I have seen very few bears that actually look really good. It just seems like the faces always have weird expressions, disproportioned features, etc. Any suggestions within a reasonable distance would be appreciated! Again, I hate to get ahead of myself, I'd just like to have a game plan lined up in case I end up with something decent.

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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics
« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2021, 06:34:34 PM »
Trenton, I’ve never been a fan of snarling/growling black bear mounts.  They’re a secretive, sneaking animal in my experience. My buddy has a half body standing (coming out of the wall) diorama and I have a rug mount.  Both have closed mouth configuration and I think they look great.   Here’s my mount and the same Bear the night I harvested him. 




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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics
« Reply #46 on: August 03, 2021, 11:01:58 AM »
A lot of good info here.  I’ve taken two bear with a bow. 48# recurve and a 53# recurve.  I used two blade Stos brand broadheads.

My experience was the first bear went about fourty/fifty yards.
 yards.  The second one, a Pope and Young qualifying bear that was nearly 7 ft square only went about fourty yards.  Both bear were shot through the lungs. I heard the death moan from the second one.

I have been within 12 yards of two big bear and probably fifty smaller bear.  I have had one climb the tree I was in and one stand up on the ladder and look at me. I think mainly they are more curious than actually coming after you.

The one time I got pretty nervous was when I had a sow with two Cubs come in.  She was nasty and very defensive about the Cubs.  That is one time where it would be nice to have bear spray with.  She attacked any bear that came into the clearing. And I saw about eight that night.

The kicker was after she sent the Cubs in a neighboring tree she went to the bait and ate. When she had her fill of food, she went over to the tree with the Cubs and laid down.

Now, I don’t know for sure what would have happened if I climbed down when it was getting dark, but I feel pretty sure I’d have at least been bluff charged.  Fortunately a guide came back in to check on me and the sound of the quad scared her and the Cubs away.

So have fun with your hunt!  I am hopefully going next spring.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2021, 12:04:25 AM by MnFn »
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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics
« Reply #47 on: August 03, 2021, 09:53:28 PM »
Both of those bears look really good! Thanks for the pictures! I've heard of the wildlife gallery and have seen brochures for their work. It would be a trip to get it down to them but it would probably be worth it to get a good quality mount.

MnFn sounds like some pretty exciting experiences! I would love to have one walk up to the base of the tree, that would be really entertaining as long as that's where he stayed! I've wondered what I would end up doing in a situation like yours with the sow and cubs. With deer I normally just wait them out before climbing down. With a bear I really don't know how long they'd stick around and if is be able to bump them off the site in order to leave. I have a can of bear spray, not sure if I'll carry it or not. Might be something worth thinking about.

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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics
« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2021, 08:34:18 AM »
Trenton,
Hope the start of your school year is going well.  If you get a moment, we’d love to see an update on how things are going. 
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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics
« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2021, 12:35:32 PM »
Trenton,
Hope the start of your school year is going well.  If you get a moment, we’d love to see an update on how things are going.
Hey Ray, I actually shot a bear Saturday afternoon. I will try and get around to typing something up this afternoon/evening and get it posted on here!

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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics
« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2021, 12:53:17 PM »
I killed one that went 410# a few years ago. I’m not a fan of the open mouth/snarling look so I wanted something more natural.  Very pleased with this mount
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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics
« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2021, 01:11:27 PM »
Trenton that is fantastic!!!!  Will love to hear the story and details of what worked for you 👍👍
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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics UPDATED 9/13
« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2021, 03:06:03 PM »
Here’s a quick (or not so quick) update on how this season went. First off thanks to everyone who contributed ideas and offered advice. I utilized a lot of it and it ended up paying off well! Disclaimer, I can not fully count this as a traditional archery kill, but I’ll post it anyway. If it needs to be pulled, I understand that.

I began running baits the day after I got up to school, which would have been August 27. I originally had two spots that I was working to keep baited, but one was not getting hit and after a week and a half I stopped baiting it and started at another spot. My first bait site however seemed to be the most active, with a sow and three cubs starting to hit it fairly consistently right away. After a few days a bigger lone bear which I took to be a boar started showing up as well. Another sow with a single cub as well as a smaller lone bear would also show up periodically. Almost all of the activity was during the day which had me excited. It got to be quite a time commitment to bait every day on top of going to class, senior design meetings, and homework, but I did my best to make it work and keep things consistent. Every day after my 11:00 class I would run home, change into my baiting clothes, then drive out and freshen baits. If I hurried I normally would have enough time for lunch before my 2:00 class. All the while bears continued hitting the site consistently during daylight, which gave me high hopes of at least seeing a bear while hunting.

Opening day came and went with a pretty steady parade of bears coming through and hitting the bait site. It was super entertaining watching the sow with cubs as they were feeding and rolling logs out of the way. I also had another smaller lone bear come in a couple of times but it was so small I didn’t even consider shooting it. The second day of season I went out again and had the sow and three cubs come back again. They were there for maybe an hour. Later on the sow came back by herself and stayed until well after dark, causing a bit of excitement when I tried to get out of the tree. She bluff charged once and then followed me out the truck popping her jaws and huffing the whole time. She stayed about 25-30 yards back though and never came any closer. The boar I was after didn’t come in during either of these first two hunts, although he was there midday while I was in class.

I wasn’t able to hunt the third day but the fourth day being Saturday I planned a pretty long day in the tree. After looking at the pictures on my camera the days leading up to season, I noticed that the boar I was after generally came in within an hour or two after I baited. I always made it a point to come in upwind and make a lot of noise when baiting so that the bears would learn that noise usually meant food. I believe that boar got pretty well conditioned to that and would wait until he thought I was gone to come in and feed before the sow and cubs would come clean it up. With that in mind, I decided Saturday I would go bait like I normally do, make a bunch of noise, then drive out and park the truck a ways away and sneak back in. It was in the 70’s, and by the time I got to the stand I was sweating like crazy in my camouflage. With it being so warm and sitting partially in the sun, and combined with staying up late to get some assignments done the night before, I started getting tired. I would nod off and take 2 or 3 minute naps, then scan around real quick and go back to sleep. At 12:30 I was doing one of these scans when I noticed a bear walking in about 30 yards away. It took a second for me to register what I was looking at and then I realized that it was the boar I was after. I slowly stood up and got set to shoot. He looked up at me for a second, then continued on to the bait site. When he got there, he laid down with his back towards me offering no shot. By now I was starting to get the nerves a little bit, and the longer he made me stand there and wait the worse they seemed to get. Finally after about 5 minutes a chipmunk ran through the leaves off to my left and he stood up and turned broadside to look.
Now I’d love to be able to say that all that summer practice paid off and I made a perfect shot on this bear, but the fact is that I didn’t. I drew back, anchored and shot, and I distinctly remember looking at the entire front end of the bear and not one spot. Left to right was perfect, but I was about 8 inches high and ended up hitting him in the spine. He went down with a snarl and started spinning in circles and snapping. I felt sick and quickly got another arrow nocked as he started crawling off through the brush. There was a lot of blood coming from the wound and I thought that I had hit the artery that runs along the spine. I drew back again when he was at 25 but my elbow hit the tree I was in causing me to short-draw. I should have let down but was so focused on trying to get another one in him that I let it go anyways. Again left to right was perfect but I was about 3 inches over his back. I got my third arrow and looked for one more opening in the thick brush he was now in. There was a hole about a foot in diameter at 40 yards that I knew he was going to go through, and as he approached it I forced myself to draw and focus on what I was doing. When he hit the opening I shot and watched the arrow arc in through the gap and hit him, unfortunately just low enough that it missed his vitals.
By now he wasn’t moving very fast at all, and I felt certain that the first arrow was starting to take effect, but I wasn’t sure how long that would take or how far he would go before it killed him. I called my roommate and asked if he would bring my rifle out for me. My sister, who also attends Tech, is always asking if she can be involved with tracking when I shoot something, so I called and asked how adventurous she was feeling. She was excited to come out as well. I didn’t want anymore than 3 people going in after a potentially wounded bear, and made sure that when they both got there that they understood to stay behind me and go slow.
We got on the track and followed it into the thick brush, going very slowly and scanning ahead carefully. It was easy to follow the broken down brush showing where he had gone, but the blood was less than ideal. The trail zig-zagged back and forth with multiple beds within a 15 yard stretch. I was looking at a scuff mark in the leaves when my roommate said “Uh, Trenton”. I looked to my right and the bear was laying tucked under a log on the ground about 15 yards away. At first I thought he was dead, as he didn’t move and we had spent the past 15 minutes within 30 yards of him. However, he then slowly raised his head and looked at us. He was right on the verge of dying, and could barely move his head. I’m confident that another few minutes and he would have been dead. However, I didn’t feel that it was right to let him lay there any longer than he had to just so that I could claim it as a traditional archery harvest, and I gave him a round in the chest with the rifle to finish him.
It wasn’t how I wanted it to end, and it’s unfortunate that that’s how it ended up, but I’m still extremely grateful that we were able to find him and finish him off as quickly as possible. All told he only made it about 60 yards, and actually ended up circling back to only about 40 yards from my stand. The brush was so thick I couldn’t see what he was doing.

He’s not a big bear. When getting him registered I was told between 150 and 160 pounds. However I’m not complaining at all as I never expected to be successful during a first time bear hunt. The freezer is full and I’m looking forward to enjoying bear steaks and roasts throughout the winter.

Again thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread! I read and tried to utilize every little bit of information that was shared on here.

I used my Stillwater Aberdeen recurve, 57@29. GT 500's with a 200 grain 3 blade VPA. Arrow weight was around 525 grains.

Not sure why that picture at the end is upside down...

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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics UPDATED 9/13
« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2021, 04:12:14 PM »
Congratulations Trenton.  Enjoy your bear!
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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics UPDATED 9/13
« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2021, 04:38:27 PM »
CONGRATS!!  Great story!!

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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics UPDATED 9/13
« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2021, 06:44:38 PM »
CONGRATULATIONS, Trenton!!!!!  :clapper: :clapper: :archer: :clapper: :clapper:

Don't feel bad, even Fred Bear had a few that had to be put down with a rifle.
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May The Great Spirit Guide Your Arrows..... Happy Hunting!!!

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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics UPDATED 9/13
« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2021, 10:11:05 PM »
Thanks guys!

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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics UPDATED 9/13
« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2021, 07:53:44 AM »
There's nothing to be ashamed of or feel bad about for doing the ethical thing finishing him off with a rifle.  Too many people get caught up in the idea that they have to finish it with their trad bow, meanwhile, it's the animal that suffers.  Great job and it sounds like you have a promising future of being a quality hunter ahead of you.

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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics UPDATED 9/13
« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2021, 05:30:00 PM »
Yeah it definitely wasn't worth letting him lay there anymore. This was the first big game animal that my sister has seen get killed. I felt pretty bad that that was her first introduction to it. Not a very good example but she seemed to understand what was going on.

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Re: Black Bear Tips and Tactics UPDATED 9/13
« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2021, 06:43:32 PM »
Great story, Trenton.  Don't feel bad about the ending.  Next time will work out better.

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