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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2021, 04:07:20 PM »
I just noticed I have .043 glass for the back and two shorter pieces of .040 for the belly.  I think that’s w/ and w/out scrim, right?  I bet if I knew what scrim was I’d know if it was okay to proceed like that or whether I gotta use the same on both...  hey, what’s scrim, anyway?  Other than .003?
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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2021, 04:23:08 PM »
Been using 70 psi. For years with no problems.
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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2021, 05:53:15 PM »
Scrim is in uls glass , it is cross fibers , kind of a woven layer supposed to be about .010” from slick side. You can see it if you hold up to light. You will be fine mixing uls and ul
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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2021, 04:14:06 PM »
#1 of 2 turned out nice.  The mirror image is underway (except Aussie walnut limbs on the belly (dyed green/grey) and a fake rattle skin on the back.









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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2021, 06:10:24 PM »
  Great looking bow...

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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2021, 06:27:16 PM »
That is really nice , man!!
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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2021, 08:09:54 PM »
That is a fantastic looking bow.


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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2021, 08:12:31 AM »
Good looking bow.  I have used Lignum vitae in one bamboo backed bow for the handle.  I let it cure at room temp and had no problems.  It has stayed green but my brother who i made it for leaves it in the house and shoots his compound.
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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2021, 08:17:59 AM »
Very nice...

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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2021, 08:37:06 AM »
Nice pair :thumbsup:
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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2021, 09:05:31 AM »
Very nice Mike! You got all the details on that one, looks real good from here :thumbsup:

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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2021, 09:47:12 AM »
Thank you, everyone!  That’s a really good looking combination.  That has to be the prettiest piece of figured mango I’ve ever seen. 
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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2021, 10:25:58 AM »
I wash every thing in acetone before glue up .Washing in acetone does not bring up the oils it washes the oil off . If you use a clean rag and just keep washing you will see the residue disappear on the rag Ive even soaked wood in pans of acetone.
  Is the mango you are using in the handle stabilized, mango is not a very strong wood .

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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2021, 12:21:03 PM »
I can’t say I’ve worked with a lot of mango, but this block seemed solid enough to support a 45 pound bow; it was as denser than most of the walnut I’ve used.  I didn’t notice any voids or varying density anywhere.  I was able to get enough for 3 risers out of it, and the 3rd will only have some small accents.  Can all woods be stabilized?  I’ve never done it before, but I think it’s done by forcing epoxy resin into the cells in a vacuum, right? 

There are mixed opinions as to whether or not acetone improves or inhibits bonding of resinous woods.  The way I understand it, anything that takes oil off of the surface of a wood and evaporates is going to pull moisture from the surface, which does cause oil/resin to migrate until it reaches stasis.  It makes sense to me that oils migrating to the surface while the bond is curing could compromise the bond, but I imagine there are situations where there is too much resin on the surface for the glue to form bonds, and then it would be better to wipe it off. 

I’ve done both with ea40.  I used to wipe everything down with denatured alcohol, mostly because I worry about dust and oils from my hands interfering with a clean bond. The only pieces I’ve had come apart so far with ea40, though, are a couple of overlays on curves that probably didn’t have enough pressure. 

The concern I had in this case was the amount of resin that was drawn out by the heat was surprising; the lignum had been dark green when I started, and afterward all the color had leeched out of it, and the resin formed puddles at the bottom of the oven, and even that bond held up.  I did my best to test it, but only time will tell.  I glued the rest of it at 120, and didn’t see any resin. 
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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2021, 01:55:33 PM »
You dont need acetone on your wood. It does need to be at the right MC before gluing.
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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2021, 02:11:37 PM »
Do you use a moisture meter?  I have an MMC220, but I don’t think it’s very accurate on small pieces.  Also, your have to put the density of the wood in using a chart, and I don’t know how accurate the chart is.  I know there’s a way to calculate the density but I’ve never tried it. 
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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2021, 04:03:05 PM »
This thing worked out pretty well, by the way.  I set it up when I was making a chess set with katalox, which is cream colored when cut or sanded, but gradually turns into a deep chocolate brown.  I had to return a couple of pawns, and it was taking quite a bit of time to catch them up to the other pieces, I kept putting them out in the sun.  Then I found out that they use these UVA bulbs to age wood used to make violins, and bought a ballast.  The pipe is like a sheet metal stove pipe I got at Home Depot.  It only took about an hour under the lights.  I have been fascinated by the woods that change colors.
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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2021, 05:50:54 PM »
Looks really nice.

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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2021, 08:01:57 AM »
Are you sure it is Lignum Vitae? looks more like Vera to me, but they are very similar. Vera is much more available as well.

The pool of "Oil" is most likely because the wood was too wet. If you used smoothon and the glue joint fails, it is due to moisture and not oil... Oily woods aren't the issue, but wet woods are. I have built countless bows out of very oily woods without the first failure due to oils.
Vera is more green than lignum, but once sanded they go back to a carmel color. Works like osage. If you want the green, you would complete the bow shy finish. Then allow to sit or introduce UV and it will green up again in time. It will likely continue to turn dark as it ages even after finishing.

Do as you will, but I would never put acetone on wood. I don't believe it hurts it since the oil isn't the issue. Moisture in wood is the real issue and too many just don't know what they are dealing with... me either at times. Not easy to tell, especially in the hard woods.
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Re: Lignum Vitae color change at cure
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2021, 10:36:57 AM »
This thing worked out pretty well, by the way.  I set it up when I was making a chess set with katalox, which is cream colored when cut or sanded, but gradually turns into a deep chocolate brown.  I had to return a couple of pawns, and it was taking quite a bit of time to catch them up to the other pieces, I kept putting them out in the sun.  Then I found out that they use these UVA bulbs to age wood used to make violins, and bought a ballast.  The pipe is like a sheet metal stove pipe I got at Home Depot.  It only took about an hour under the lights.  I have been fascinated by the woods that change colors.


Thats a great idea :thumbsup:  What other woods have you "tanned"?

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