Mohawk Longbow Owners - help please

[azhunter]

So I got a Mohawk Sparrowhawk a while back and just have not shot it much. I shoot left handed. Started shooting it and what I am finding is that I have a tendency to shoot it to the right. Even when I shoot a weak arrow. My other longbows are closer to center. I know it is not the arrow because I have tried even arrows that should be too weak for this bow. It is how I am holding the bow. I have tried holding the bow in the lifeline and heeling the bow and sometimes I can shoot some arrows right in the bullseye but not consistently. The bow is very smooth and pretty quick for such a mild R/D. When I shoot it to the right my arrows group in a small area but I need to find a way to quit hitting to the right. I have tried gripping the bow in various ways. Please give me some help. Thanks

[Steelhead]

I know those are cut 1/8th inch out from center.Mine seemed like it might have been cut even more out from center.Or seemed more than my other bows in the past that were 1/8th out from center.

You allready said you were using arrows that were pretty weak in spine.I assume to get your arrow to bend around the 1/8th out when the arrow goes through paradox.Which is critical.

I shot mine around 6 and 3/4 to  7 inches brace hieght.It was a 66 incher.

I may not have a silver bullet answer for you.But you might try and cant your bow more than you are currantly and tilt your head a bit to allign with the cant of the bow.Really get your left eye in line with the arrow since your left handed.Hopefully your left eye dominant which makes everything easier for a left hand shooter in regard to that arrow/eye allignment.

Thats a great bow by the way IMO.I was shooting to the right when I got mine as I remember.Most if not all my other bows were cut to center or past.Besides the Mohawk Sparrowhawk.

I hunted and shot 3-D exclusively with a longbow years ago was cut 1/8th out from center.Its pretty much all I shot besides my GN  Ghost recurve that was 1/8th out as well.It was deadly accurate! 

[The Whittler]

If your arrows are flying straight raise your brace up 4-5 twist and see if that don't bring your arrows to center. If not then a few mor twist. Easy to do.

[Orion]

What's the poundage at your draw length and what spine arrows are you shooting?  If they go to the right most times, the most likely culprit is an overspined arrow.

However, plucking will send the arrow to the right for a left hand shooter. And, torquing the riser may contribute to off center hits.  Are you gripping the bow firmly?  If so might try to relax your grip a little.

If you're not used to shooting a bow that's cut this proud of center you might also just be lining up off center.  If your bow hand is in the same location as it would be with a more center shot bow, the arrow is just pointing more to the right than it would be with a center shot bow.  Before you release your next few arrows, look down the arrow to see if it's pointing directly at the target.  If not, you'll need to adjust your hold a bit.  Should be pretty easy to internalize after a few shots. 

[Terry Green]

Arrows that are too stiff shoot to the left for me and I am right handed....  You might want to try a broadhead that is 50 pounds heavier just to see.

Yes I have a mohawk sparrowhawk

[Silent footed]

 I'm assuming you're probably canting your bow, but I find with longbows, there needs to be quite a cant. And it can also vary a bit between different longbows. I switched to a different longbow this year; and I am having to train myself to ingrain a new cant. Every time I hit left (your right), I am made aware that I wasn't canting enough on the given shot.

You could use a heavier point to correct your problem. This would weaken your dynamic spine and shift your impact left. But it seems like you are aware and have tried that strategy already by switching to a weaker arrow.

[Silent footed]

My vote is to work out a good cant, and then proceed with finetuning your equipment using the cant that is giving best results.

[Rob DiStefano]

The Sparrowhawk is a very forgiving mild r/d longbow, as I designed it and Vince crafted the prototype for me. 

Your problem is most likely either you (shooting form), or the arrows (spine), or both. 

Of consideration with any stickbow is brace height and nocking point, as well.

A video of you shooting would help in diagnosing your problem.

[Terry Green]

"Have to have a correct cant to shoot"  BS!!!!!!

If your bow is tuned and your form is correct canting has nothing to do with anything period. I can't even believe I'm reading such nonsense!!!!!!!!!

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[Rob DiStefano]

What Terry just posted.  There is no such thing as a "proper stance" of body or bow for a bowhunter. 

What you do with your bow hand, string hand, full draw alignment, "anchor", instinctive aim, release, "follow through", is what matters.

[Silent footed]

I shoot with all those cants too (vertical, horizontal, upsidedown and everywhere between), and also using perfect form and tuned equipment, Terry, as an instinctive shooter, i think you don't actually realize the left-right adjustments you make instinctively to accomplish these shots. However, us split vision and gappers must visually make the same adjustment, that you just make instinctively.

A perfectly tuned bow with the arrow nock coming out of your pupil would indeed eliminate the necessity for adjustment, but the best we can get to the nock coming out of our pupil is having it postioned below it, by about 2". So we are faced with a problem similar to canting a scoped rifle. The arrow must travel upward to meet our line of sight (or sideways, with a horizontal bow, at which case, the arrow no longer has gravity to slow its rise, and this lack causes the arrow to move left/right signifantly). It's exactly the same phenomenon as canting a scoped rifle, the way the nock is positioned 2" below our eye:

Yosemite Sam discusses this on the form board

https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=113849.0

[Silent footed]

I always hate to argue with Terry, but what I said is definitely not BS. Instinctive archers just have no need to be aware of the phenomenon,  because their adjustment is subconscious (below their conscious awareness, if they are a true instinctive shooter).  But for the original question, a severely underspined arrow through a near vertical longbow will most certainly hit in the opposite direction of the riser. It's the cant.

If you like, just tune the arrows and make the adjustment through repetition. But if you are not an instinctive shooter, you will be at a loss with that approach.

[Mike Malvaini]

A tuned bow has no idea what the cant is!  What T said!!!!  I call BS TOO!!!

[Russell Southerland]

A tuned bow has no idea what the cant is!  What T said!!!!  I call BS TOO!!!

Yep.

[Russell Southerland]

What Terry just posted.  There is no such thing as a "proper stance" of body or bow for a bowhunter. 

What you do with your bow hand, string hand, full draw alignment, "anchor", instinctive aim, release, "follow through", is what matters.

Yep

[Sam Spade]

I always hate to argue with Terry, but what I said is definitely not BS. Instinctive archers just have no need to be aware of the phenomenon,  because their adjustment is subconscious (below their conscious awareness, if they are a true instinctive shooter).  But for the original question, a severely underspined arrow through a near vertical longbow will most certainly hit in the opposite direction of the riser. It's the cant.

If you like, just tune the arrows and make the adjustment through repetition. But if you are not an instinctive shooter, you will be at a loss with that approach.

WHAT?????  So, if I get my car tuned up, my wife can't drive it because she's left handed?  Yeah 100% BS.

[Skates 2]

I always hate to argue with Terry, but what I said is definitely not BS. Instinctive archers just have no need to be aware of the phenomenon,  because their adjustment is subconscious (below their conscious awareness, if they are a true instinctive shooter).  But for the original question, a severely underspined arrow through a near vertical longbow will most certainly hit in the opposite direction of the riser. It's the cant.

If you like, just tune the arrows and make the adjustment through repetition. But if you are not an instinctive shooter, you will be at a loss with that approach.

This is a great argument to be an instinctive shooter!!!! I will be saving this for future use!!! Thanks one trick pony!!!!

[Skates 2]

Btw, can we get a verification on the cartoon character Yosemite Sam???? He's playing make believe here as well. What type of person would promote such garbage.  Don't delete, let's see his credentials.  I bet it ain't happening.

[Roy from Pa]

Silent Footed...

But for the original question, a severely underspined arrow through a near vertical longbow will most certainly hit in the opposite direction of the riser.

Are you saying that a severely under spine arrow will shoot to the left for a right hand shooter and to the right for a left hand shooter when shot out of a longbow??

[azhunter]

Well thanks for your input guys. I've probably owned 25 longbows and I have never had this problem with any of them. I want to like this longbow but I don't think I do. I can take any of my other longbows and shoot them well.