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New Approach
« on: June 15, 2021, 07:46:41 PM »
I have been using a new approach to my shooting sessions that I would like to share. First off I will admit I'm not a shooting instructor nor am I a hot shot 3D star. I'm just someone who likes to take his shooting to higher levels and always is looking to improve. In the past I have had TP and it took a long while for me to get mack to enjoying shooting. Much of my success is by breaking down the shot into 3 parts, the physical, the mental and the movement. When I start my shooting I do it with the thought that I don't know if I am going to release or not. I'll explain.
The first part is the physical check. I need to draw to my anchor and get into a solid position. If I don't get to anchor, I'm not releasing an arrow. After I get to my anchor, I want to establish and maintain my sight picture, that is the mental confirmation part. If I confirm the sight picture, I'm not releasing an arrow. After confirming the sight picture, I apply more tension on the string and get a slight rear elbow movement and if I perceive the movement it will lead to the release.
I basically have built in checkpoints that stop me from shooting if the checks are not confirmed. It takes discipline to back off the shot. But as youy work on that discipline, your shot consistency improves greatly.
I will make a disclaimer that the confirmation of the sight picture is from a conversation I had with Joel Turner many years back. I could never get used to the mantra he recommended but the focus on the end movement by the presure on the string is similar to what he teaches.
I also like to run this drill by following the exact process but regardless if I feel I have doen everything right, I refrain from shooting.
Best of luck with your shooting, take it one arrow at a time.

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Re: New Approach
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2021, 09:33:15 AM »
I read your approach with interest, because I have been down the same path.  Your shot sequence seems to build a solid foundation for the shot, with or without any consideration of target panic.

Don't overlook the fact that target panic is primarily a mental issue, and to continue the analogy, no matter how solid the foundation for a house is, it isn't going to keep the termites out unless you do something specifically about the termites.

I have taken Joel's and other programs to deal with target panic, where target panic is defined as the subconscious mind taking over the shot, with the cure being to reestablish control by the conscious mind.  I have come to believe that this concept is flawed.  I don't think the problem originated with my subconscious trigger, which I have re-adopted and seems to work fine, as it does for the great majority of traditional shooters in the country.  I think the effectiveness of all existing programs to treat target panic lies with their emphasis on increasing concentration skills, although they don't focus enough on this process.

As an example, Joel's emphasis on focusing on the tiny movement needed to activate the trigger is a concentration skill.  I say let's do away with the red herring of the subconscious, which nobody really understands anyway, and focus on the real solution, which is increasing our abilities to concentrate.

Increasing our concentration skills means increasing our ability to eliminate distractions, no more, no less.  Target panic is caused by a distraction of some sort.  Examples of distractions include a fly buzzing around your head, but also can be disjointed thoughts, emotions, and images floating around in your brain.  We may not even be aware of most of them because they are such a normal part of our lives.  But becoming aware of the specific distraction that is compelling one to release the shot before one is ready to shoot it is the first step toward learning to eliminate it.

For example, my own target panic was triggered by the knowledge that I was drawing the bow with the intention of shooting it.  You appear to have the same problem, and your solution of not deciding whether to shoot until a certain point in the shot sequence is a form of concentration, because your decision cannot be casual or your brain would just override it; it has to be a deeply held conviction to work.

In my case, the knowledge that I was drawing the bow with the intention of shooting it triggered an emotion, which was the anticipation of the shot.  Emotions are not expressed in words, but in this case was a combination of an exciting vision of a great shot combined with anxiety over having a bad shot.  These conflicting emotions were the distraction that was triggering the early release of the shot.  Once I recognized this, I could become aware early on in the shot sequence when these emotions occurred, and could eliminate them through increased concentration, by finding a quiet, blank place in my mind where these emotions didn't exist.  This is not the same thing as staying in the same part of one’s mind where they do exist and trying to ignore them. If I can't find that quiet place, then I can let down the shot and start over.

Learning to concentrate at this level is not as easy as reading the words, but once learned, is very effective.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2021, 09:45:51 AM by McDave »
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Re: New Approach
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2021, 09:46:25 AM »
Well said McDave, I completely agree that for it to work the concentration on that minor movement is very essential to ensuring you maintain that conviction.

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Re: New Approach
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2021, 08:52:13 AM »
Read the the last chapter of Jay Kidwells book, "Instinctive Archery Insights".   Better yet....read the entire book.    TP is most definitely not caused by a lack of concentration.   It is a textbook result of classical conditioning to a stimulus.   Telling someone with TP to just "concentrate harder" is a fools errand.
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Re: New Approach
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2021, 09:03:33 AM »
Otto I would disagree one one issue, most have been taught to concentrate hard on the spot they want to hit which becomes a TP trigger. By focusing hard on the spot, many become triggered by the sight picture and never make it to anchor. What I concentrate on is the final movement that confirms to me that I am doing what I need to do to ensure I have executed the shot exactly as I need to. I don't see how that is foolish.
I've read the book you mentioned and I found it a great read. His method from my understanding is too condition your response to the target. Great insight and I use it in my warmups.

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Re: New Approach
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2021, 01:33:40 PM »
What YOU are doing isn't foolish.   In fact it's good practice.    But you don't have TP.   To someone who actually does have TP, merely telling that person to "concentrate harder" isn't going to help them one bit.  In fact, it will likely only cause further frustration.    That's what I read into your reply.   If that wasn't your intent, then my apologies.
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Re: New Approach
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2021, 07:26:56 PM »
Actually I have TP and I am of the belief that everyone over time has it, some are able to work with it. I took a year off from even looking at my bow to work on getting better at handling it. What I am struggling here is you keep stating about how I recommend to concentrate harder which is far from my point and something I have not mentioned, what I state is focus on the built in checks and the small movement in the end of the cycle. It's not meant to me a focus till your ears bleed more of a conscious awareness of your form.
TP has many forms and triggers, very understated is the actual form as a cause, shallow grip on the string, outside elbow, collapsed form, limited expansion for example will lead to an anxious shot or not a controlled process. My utilization of checkpoints is to correct form issue that will rush my shot and skip the setup portion of my process.
Kidwell does a great job of incorporating visualization and drills to bring back the control to the shot. I would argue that if your form is weak, you will never gain from his method or anyone else's.

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Re: New Approach
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2021, 11:00:36 PM »
I had TP for about 3 years.   Shooting a bow became just no fun.  I would either draw and freeze below the bullseye, or struggle to get a 45lb bow to full draw.
 I Tried all kinds of stuff.   Read Kidwells book, tried the exercises in the last 5 pages and was instantly cured.   I mean like within 5 minutes.   I now shoot more accurately than ever and incorporate Kidwells exercises into my practice routine. 

I also believe if one shoots long enough, they will develop TP.   It took almost 20 years before I developed it and as you know.   It sucked.  But literally....5 minutes of Kidwells advice and I was completely cured.

I just reread your posts.   My apologies as it looks like the other poster...McDave...is the one who brought up the concentration issue.
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Re: New Approach
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2021, 12:57:19 AM »
I’m fully convinced that learning how to concentrate better was the solution to my problem of controlling the bow.  The reason I’m convinced of this is purely pragmatic: techniques to eliminate distractions worked, while techniques to take control away from my sub-conscious mind didn’t.  Eliminating distractions is the purview of concentration, while taking control away from the subconscious mind is the purview of methods to treat target panic.  I’m not saying that my solution to the common problem of rushing the shot will work for everyone.  There are no doubt more reasons one might rush the shot other than lack of concentration or target panic.  Keeping an open mind and searching for your own solution is more important than the particular solution I found.
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