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Author Topic: How long would you wait?  (Read 5153 times)

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How long would you wait?
« on: June 29, 2021, 09:11:24 AM »
OK, so I was looking at the great thread on favorite knife pics.  The Randall knife really got my attention, UNTIL I checked there web site and saw it is a 5 to 6 year wait if you order one.   Who does that?  I might wait a year tops but SIX?   :banghead:
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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2021, 09:44:16 AM »
I guess it depends.  No way would I give anybody my money to hold for six years.  OTOH, if it was just a small refundable deposit to hold my place in line, I might consider it….if i wasn't already 76.  Being 76 puts a whole nuther meaning on a six year wait!
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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2021, 10:15:06 AM »
6 years?  Nope lol. I can't wait 6 months for a bow.
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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2021, 10:16:02 AM »
If you go to the big auction site, you can probably find the Randall you're looking for right now -- new and used.

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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2021, 10:36:49 AM »
There are several retail websites that offer Randall Knives, of course what is in stock would be a question.  You could have a Randall on the way by the end of the day most likely.

I'm on the waitlist for a couple of knives.  The makers do not require a deposit.  They will let me know when my name comes up then they will make my knife.  The one I don't think I will ever get, communication has not been good.  The other it might be 4 or 5 years. Communication has been great,  if the maker and I are both alive at the time my name comes up then I'll have a nice knife on the way.

I'm in no rush to get something I haven't paid for yet. 

I've waited on bows from top notch bowyers.  Never been disappointed upon arrival. Communication was clear and updated as needed.

I think in these situation clear expectations, clear communication, reasonable updates as needed go along way to keeping everyone happy.

If your happy waiting might as well wait.   If you would not be happy in such a situation then don't put yourself in a waiting situation.  Plenty of bows, knives, whatever out their in the world to be happy with.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2021, 10:45:03 AM by mjh »

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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2021, 10:53:58 AM »
It's not that I can afford one of them now anyway, just surprised at the length of time.  I'm at the same age group as McDave too, no longer making extended long range plans.   :o
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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2021, 04:28:33 PM »
I would not wait that long for a knife, bow, etc. There are a lot of great makers/builders/artists out there. Life is to short.

If someone or a company has a backlog that is years long…they need to buck up and hire some help, take on an apprentice or two.
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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2021, 05:34:06 PM »
You only have to wait that long for the first one.   You order one every year.....after the 5th year....one shows up every year.   It only requires a $50 deposit.   I've been doing that for several decades now.
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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2021, 05:54:24 PM »
Hell I have been waiting for USPS to deliver a bow for close to a month now and I'm all anxious as anything. 6 years for a knife, nope

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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2021, 06:14:30 PM »
I would not wait that long for a knife, bow, etc. There are a lot of great makers/builders/artists out there. Life is to short.

If someone or a company has a backlog that is years long…they need to buck up and hire some help, take on an apprentice or two.

I agree with the first part of your post.
I don’t necessarily agree with the last part.
It’s not always about “bucking up” and hiring help.
Some people are so quality conscious they have a hard time trusting someone else to meet their expectations.
They have a waiting list for a reason and I’m sure it’s because of their reputation and quality. Every one on their list knows what that wait time is before hand and they still choose to wait! Sounds to me like they are completely comfortable where they are at and they have plenty of work in the future with no down time!
Good for them!
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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2021, 06:58:42 PM »
6 years?  Nope lol. I can't wait 6 months for a bow.


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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2021, 07:19:00 PM »
You can't buy a better blade than a Benchmade.  Sure they might put a polished piece of wood on it or chunk of antler.  But that doesn't help me skin a deer or defend myself in a H2H situation.
I won't wait at a restaurant for 45 minutes to be seated so I think that pretty much tells you what my time line is.
I do agree with Randy about CQ and assistants not always cutting it.  That said a craftsman with multiple persons working on their product has to be as focused on what they do as anything and in the end they probably aren't being as much of a craftsman as they are a manager.   
A one year wait is what kept me from ordering a Mountain Monarch.  Then I found out how good Primal Tech bows were and went that direction.  That said I am jonesing right now waiting on another set of limbs for my Primal Tech.
However, when I get them, I'll know the craftsman/artist who built them did them himself just for me and the wait will have been well worth it.
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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2021, 08:24:23 PM »
As a user and collector of custom knives, I can shed a little more light on the topic.   Knives are like guns, bows, cars....pretty much anything that is man made.  There are tons of production knives.   Literally thousands of them.  Benchmade falls into that category and there's nothing wrong with a Benchmade.   They're a decent knife for the money and to their credit they make their knives here in the US.  But they are a production knife and that imposes some limitations....meaning you get what they make.   No options, period.

Custom knives are a whole nuther animal.   They are that.  Custom.   You get it your way.   If one has the means, the world of custom knives is like custom bows.    When you hold a knife from S.R. Johnson, Steve Young, or the man himself, Bob Loveless, you know you're holding a knife that's a true work of art.  Randall's are hand forged, hand ground, hand polished etc.   In today's hurry up world, lots of folks don't want to wait 5 years for a knife.   I get that.    Those willing to wait are rewarded with an incredible knife.    Those not willing to wait, the world of off the shelf production knives are waiting for you.
  I started collecting and using them decades ago.    Some old timers on this site will remember the story of my brother accidentally dropping one in the porta potty at Cloverdale one year.   Yep....he reached down in there, got it back and brought it back to camp and boiled it for a half hour.   

Like a custom now, some might decide a Randall isn't worth the money, takes too long to get etc....   I enjoy them.   I've carried a model 3-5 in my huntin pack for close to 25 yrs.
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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2021, 08:50:51 PM »
No I waited a year once for a bow and never again. Too many things can happen 3-4 months maybe.

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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2021, 08:54:25 PM »
I agree with what Crittergetter said, and would add that everyone should find out what he's good at, and stick with it.  I did that as an accountant.  I found out that I was good at doing tax returns, but lousy at managing people.  So after some painful experiences finding out just how lousy I was at managing people, I opened my own shop with just me and a part-time bookkeeper who worked with me for the next 45 years.  The only thing that made it work with that bookkeeper was that she was as bad at getting along with people as I was at managing them.  But she was a great bookkeeper.  So over those 45 years, I managed to accumulate enough to retire and avoided an ulcer.  My clients were torn between fear that I would fire them and fear that they would pi$$ off my bookkeeper.  I probably could have made a lot more if I had managed a bigger firm rather than do all the work myself, but given my management skills, that's kind of like saying that I could win the Trad Worlds if I only practiced a little harder.  HA!
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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2021, 11:30:48 AM »
I get the quality control argument….but at some point put a hold on taking new orders if the backlog is that long. 5-6 years….half a decade or more is ridiculous.

I would not wait that long for a knife, bow, etc. There are a lot of great makers/builders/artists out there. Life is to short.

If someone or a company has a backlog that is years long…they need to buck up and hire some help, take on an apprentice or two.

I agree with the first part of your post.
I don’t necessarily agree with the last part.
It’s not always about “bucking up” and hiring help.
Some people are so quality conscious they have a hard time trusting someone else to meet their expectations.
They have a waiting list for a reason and I’m sure it’s because of their reputation and quality. Every one on their list knows what that wait time is before hand and they still choose to wait! Sounds to me like they are completely comfortable where they are at and they have plenty of work in the future with no down time!
Good for them!
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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2021, 12:06:25 PM »
They have had a long wait time for many years and it grows a little longer every year.  And yet they are still in business.  That says something.  I have a Randall that was a retirement gift and yes it was ordered four years ahead , my boss really pulled one off on me;)
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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2021, 12:19:27 PM »
There are currently more than 1,000 Randall knives listed on the big auction site.  Just about every model they make in various configurations, often with several examples of any one model.  Should be something there that matches your taste, and can buy it now.  No waiting.  Took me about five minutes to compare three versions of the same model and buy it.  Price was about what one would expect to pay if one ordered it. Lots more listed by various knife retailers throughout the country.

Most of those who place orders now are collectors and resellers who place multiple orders for knives every year and resell them as they get them in often at slightly higher prices, but sometimes substantially higher prices, than they paid.  But, if you truly want a Randall knife, it's available now.   

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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2021, 12:28:32 PM »
Went to their website,and those are some impressive knives. I've always wondered about the big website,and it you might get stung with a fake  :dunno:

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Re: How long would you wait?
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2021, 12:47:06 PM »
BAK, Nordic knives has weekly arrivals on the Randall and if you want a special model with a $40,00 deposit and 4 months wait you can have what you want,just 80-90$ over Randall Made factory prices.
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