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Hey guys,
Got my form finished this weekend for the Bingham take down bow I am working on.   I know I questioned the need for the heat box on another post and several of you guys said I don't need it and I can use my truck to help it to cure or I could just let the smooth on cure in 24 hours at 72 degrees.  But I also understand, that if I go ahead and cure it at a higher temp, it may give it more durability to stand up in higher temperatures down the road without delaminating.  I think the truck thing is a good idea, but I am beholden by time of when I can do it versus the heat box I can do it when I have time.  Basically I think I want to go ahead and build the heat box but I don't want to spend the $180 on the 2 sheets of plywood for Bingham's plans.  I have some old lumber that I pulled out of a house that was built in 1840 that I have had sitting around for years.  I would have to plane that wood and get it shaped, but the net effect would be that the heat box would not be built with 1 piece of wood per each side.  I would have to build it up say with boards that are 6" to 8" wide and on each side.  So in effect all the sides bottom/top etc.. will be boards that have to be joined.  My thinking was even if I didn't glue the boards up to make that perfect joinery piece in the wood, I could come back and caulk all the seems once the box is finished.  If I did it this way, I don't have to outlay any $$$ just a little more time in the build.   

So my question to you is - there is nothing magical about the plywood box right?  I would think I would have the same effect as long as I caulked all the seems thereby closing any gaps where heat could escape right?  Just thought I would double check with you guys before I put the time into planing and ripping these old boards up. 

Second question I have is when I watched the Bingham video, they used contact cement and sprayed the top of the bottom mold and the bottom surface of a strip of formica and then glued that formica strip to the bottom mold where the lams will glue up.  Well in the video, it was more of a 30 second deal.   Spray form, spray formica, then lay the strip in carefully aligning it on the mold.  Well when I did it, it didn't work that way at all.  The contact cement I used said let it sit for 5 mins until it got sticky and then attach it so I did.  However, the bend in the recurve form was just too much for the formica and I sat there trying to work the formica into the curve section and it did not want to stay.  The glue held in the straighter section of the mold, but not in the curve at all.  I simply could not hold it anywhere without gaps forming between the formica strip and the mold.  I fought it for about 5 mins or so and then decided to use the filament tape.  I would hold tight a section of it and my wife would wrap it.  Then I would move a little further into the curve and we would wrap that too.  I went all the way around the curve and let it set for 24 hours.  Of course now I had glue chunks all over this smooth piece of formica.  In the end I cleaned up all the glue with acetone and it is glued in place with no gaps.

Now that I am thinking about it, do you think since this formica sat in the box in my office for 4 years it stiffened up with time and that is why it was so much harder than what they showed in the video?  or is this just normal? or did I do something wrong?

Thanks again for all the help.

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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2021, 08:19:50 AM »
You can build a hotbox with foil backed foam board and duct tape instead of plywood and screws. That should help with the cost.
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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2021, 08:42:24 AM »
You can use 1/8" ply and laminate the foil/foam board to it and end up with a rigid, lite weight panel that won't get damaged from being knocked around.

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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2021, 09:03:01 AM »
You can build a oven from anything. It is all about holding the heat in.
I use the air hose to hold the formica on. And smooth on to glue it on.

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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2021, 09:18:15 AM »
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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2021, 10:27:37 AM »
Save those boards for a more worthy project.  Is it possibly bow wood ?

Go with Flems suggestion and use the thinner plywood.   Even luan would be fine.  Mine is built with 3/8" ply and it still needed foam board to keep temperature up.  The only thing it gained was weight?

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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2021, 11:00:24 PM »
Guys thanks for the suggestions.  I am going to run to the hardware store and check out my options and figure something out.  I would rather not use the old wood - not because of how old it is, but due the amount of work it will take to get them planed down and cut to sizes I can work with. 

@Longcruise - no none of it is bow wood.  A lot of it I think would be too brittle.
@OldRawhide42 - that is a good idea about using the air hose!

Thanks again guys!

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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2021, 11:54:13 PM »
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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2021, 07:31:05 AM »
The last forms I made have no Formica at all. Using a router leaves a good surface and touch up with  120 grit. Any voids .ca be filled with bondo and sanded smooth
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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2021, 09:20:13 AM »
The last forms I made have no Formica at all. Using a router leaves a good surface and touch up with  120 grit. Any voids .ca be filled with bondo and sanded smooth

I've been wondering about that and may try it. :thumbsup:
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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2021, 09:58:43 AM »
The contact cement that I have used needs at least twenty minutes of curing time before putting together.   On porous surfaces like end grain and leather I've found that results are better if a first thin coat on both surfaces left for a couple hours and then a second coat for twenty minutes works better.

And the airhose suggestion is excellent insurance especially on a recurve form.
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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2021, 10:31:05 AM »
Yea I am wondering if I just didn't give the contact cement enough time before trying to put it down.  Using the filament tape actually worked really well - it was just a struggle to get there not knowing what to do ;)

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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2021, 11:16:25 AM »
I've never tried the filament tape but might next time around.
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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2021, 11:34:10 AM »
Most contact cement I've used says it needs to be dry to touch before putting together. 

I've been using black electrical tape to tape lams down on form when gluing up. I can just break it  after a couple wraps, unlike filament tape I have to cut and keep the end from sticking back on the roll. LOL
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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2021, 12:07:45 PM »
@Kennym - Yea electrical tape would have been good too.  Its one of those things that I haven't done before and watched the Bingham video and it was like bam 1 2 3 , the formica just layed down in the curve and stuck right away.  I mean it was like 30 seconds from the time they sprayed to the time it was all in place so I wasn't expecting this.  But luckily my wife was there and saw the filament tape so I just had her wrap it while I was pushing the formica into place.  It worked well for holding it down, but not sure how easy that would have been if she wasn't there able to help me.

@Flem - That is a real good idea to heat the formica as well.  I know as soon as this one is done, there is going to be another coming real quick.  My youngest daughter already wants to build one now so I am sure that will happen as soon as I am done with this one!

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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2021, 05:32:36 PM »
I have only used a strip of 0.040 black fiberglass on my forms. I have at least 12 pieces of the Streaky clear glass from 6 years ago I will use if I ever build another form. I use 3M High Strength 90 spray adhesive to glue the glass to form, I have forms that are 12 years old and the glass is still stuck to them.        https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b40069424/

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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2021, 07:11:20 PM »
Kenny,  do you cook em with the tape on?
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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2021, 07:47:52 PM »
I have only used a strip of 0.040 black fiberglass on my forms. I have at least 12 pieces of the Streaky clear glass from 6 years ago I will use if I ever build another form. I use 3M High Strength 90 spray adhesive to glue the glass to form, I have forms that are 12 years old and the glass is still stuck to them.        https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b40069424/

I use this stuff too.
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Re: Heat Box question for 1st Bingham Bow build - also formica strip ?
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2021, 07:49:00 PM »
Kenny,  do you cook em with the tape on?

Yep , it is over the pressure strip tho, so no marks in limb...
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