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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2021, 08:25:52 AM »
I was making plugs for 3" pipe and a 7/8" hole for a shaft (conveyor rollers).
Machined the sides of flat stock.
Never tried to machine flat
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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2021, 10:08:05 AM »
I remember reading that the only way to get a truly flat smooth surface was by flame polishing.
Never tried it. I know that while hand planing, if you did not take a deep enough cut to make a continuous chip, it was an exercise in futility.

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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2021, 08:00:23 PM »
Flem so aside from neutral plane biz what do you beleive helps hold the backset  the most in a deep core bow?  The back or the belly?
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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2021, 09:27:45 PM »
Not my area of expertise, I am fond of string follow bows. But my guess would be, the artificial tension created by compressing the tension side and stretching the compression side of the neutral plane ;)

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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2021, 09:47:34 PM »
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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2021, 10:41:43 PM »
Steamin!      See what I mean, everybody likes a big, fresh, happy, pile of poo :thumbsup:

Turns out my bench top heat box experiment is more than just a curiosity. Did I dry run with my glass form and all the connections for infusion and its not going to fit in my hot box. So I dialed in the bench top heat collector.
Five pieces, one bench vice and two shoelaces. The angled ends collect some heat, 40deg warmer than with vertical ends. I also fastened a diffuser for the hot center section, out of vent screen material. Sets up in a couple minutes. Have to keep a constant watch on it the first time :scared:

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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #46 on: December 30, 2021, 02:27:55 AM »
Steamin!      See what I mean, everybody likes a big, fresh, happy, pile of poo :thumbsup:

Turns out my bench top heat box experiment is more than just a curiosity. Did I dry run with my glass form and all the connections for infusion and its not going to fit in my hot box. So I dialed in the bench top heat collector.
Five pieces, one bench vice and two shoelaces. The angled ends collect some heat, 40deg warmer than with vertical ends. I also fastened a diffuser for the hot center section, out of vent screen material. Sets up in a couple minutes. Have to keep a constant watch on it the first time :scared:


Looks downright interstellar.  :)
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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2021, 08:51:15 AM »
I think it might be Redneck :bigsmyl:

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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2021, 11:45:57 AM »
High tech Redneck

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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2021, 01:02:01 PM »
Today is the day for infusing. Finished prepping the form and materials yesterday. Even got the first layer down.
Its a veil fabric that prevents print thru from the other reinforcements when under vacuum pressure. It adds no weight and is invisible when wet out. They make it from glass, kevlar or carbon. I'm using kevlar, because its already a yellow tint and I had some from another project. The choice of material is not critical when making opaque, colored composite.

The method by which Gordon's, Bearpaw, Excel, etc. make their glass, is called pultrusion. Picture a huge rack with hundreds of fiber spools, all feeding into a tiny 2"X.050" die, then all those aligned threads getting pulled thru a resin bath, into a heated chamber and coming out the other end cured and close to its final dimension, excluding length.
Unfortunately this cannot be done at home. At least not by me! Trying to get the same results doing a wet lay up by hand is very difficult, ask anybody who has tried how much work it is and how many failures they have had.
One of the most difficult objectives, thats critical, is a good exterior side surface finish. It's possible to put down a color gel coat, but its hard to control the thickness with epoxy. It's not self leveling like paint and a thick epoxy rind on a flexible composite is not optimum.
So the veil, which becomes invisible when wet out, provides the correct rind thickness, reinforces it and prevents the fibers behind it from showing thru. It's not possible to use effectively though, unless you are doing a vacuum infusion. It needs to be held down flat and in place. Trying to wet out, by hand, reinforcement thats on top, will just cause it to bunch up. I've been going on and on about the stuff because to me its a critical of a component as the resin and the glass fiber
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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #50 on: December 31, 2021, 01:28:28 PM »
I’ve been waiting on this part.
I don’t see myself making any,  but was very curious how you do it.
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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #51 on: December 31, 2021, 04:44:15 PM »
Me too

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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #52 on: January 01, 2022, 02:21:54 PM »
For guys wanting to see how resin infusion works in more detail I would recommend this video:



You can skip through all the stuff at the beginning where they talk about the project the sleds are for if you just want to see the infusion setup and process.


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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #53 on: January 01, 2022, 03:32:03 PM »

Unfortunately this cannot be done at home. At least not by me! Trying to get the same results doing a wet lay up by hand is very difficult, ask anybody who has tried how much work it is and how many failures they have had.

  Tell me about it...  LoL...  Been there...  Takes a while to get the hang of it and you have to use lots of resin so there is some waste...

  Wish you Luck...

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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2022, 10:33:47 AM »

Unfortunately this cannot be done at home. At least not by me! Trying to get the same results doing a wet lay up by hand is very difficult, ask anybody who has tried how much work it is and how many failures they have had.

  Tell me about it...  LoL...  Been there...  Takes a while to get the hang of it and you have to use lots of resin so there is some waste...


  Wish you Luck...

Its not for the person thats impatient or expects perfect results out of the gate, as you know Shredd ;)
It's taken me years to get to this point and its still not a guarantee of success!

I have watched so many infusion videos, I lost count. Just hoping to glean an important tidbit of info or technique.
I am not going to go deep into infusion in this thread, if someone needs more detail there are countless videos to be watched. I will only include specific details and materials that I have found to be useful for making pretensioned, unidirectional, resin infused bow laminate. Which I did not get to the last couple days and since you guys don't know any better, I will blame on my wife :biglaugh:

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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2022, 03:01:20 PM »
Back at it, not sure when I will actually get it infused. It's not a priority right now, more of a luxury. Besides I need peace and quiet, no interruptions, no cat jumping on my workbench. It's a Zen experience. In the mean time I will get it put together and ready.
This is what the inside of the bag will look like before resin. Bottom, now buried  layer is the kevlar veil, next is 850' of S-glass, on top of that is the blue peel ply, then the green infusion flow mesh and the small piece of white scotch pad will be where the resin line terminates to act as a diffuser.

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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2022, 03:25:01 PM »
Flem, are things somehow stretched tight end to end??
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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2022, 03:55:04 PM »
No slack allowed!

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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2022, 04:11:57 PM »
I should mention that at this point everything going into the bag is physically weighed or calculated before resin, that way I can get a reasonable estimation of my fiber to resin ratio for the finished product. Optimum ratio is 70/30, but its not attainable with this setup. I am happy with 60/40. Anything over 60 is great and someday I hope to achieve
65/35. I am going to try a couple new to me products, which I hope will get me closer to the goal.

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Re: Steaming pile of Dog poo
« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2022, 05:21:36 PM »
How long this gonna take?

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