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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #60 on: December 13, 2024, 07:48:36 AM »
I'm seeing more and more of these threads about going back to aluminum from carbon.  I wonder if folks are tired of paying the high price for carbon, or if they're seeing a performance difference.  If you've made that switch, please share why.

I've been shooting GT trads for years and have been happy with them.  Recently I found some 2016s in my basement and for giggles gave them a go.  Maybe I just got lucky with the length and point weight, but there's no question that I'm shooting them more accurately than the GTs, even though the 2016s bare shaft just slightly stiff.   

Bow is a 44 @ 28 Toelke Whistler (drawing 28).  GTs are 600 spine, cut to 29", 100 gr insert and 150 gr point.  2016s are cut to 29.5, standard insert and 150 gr point.  The GT 600s seem like a better choice, but like I said, the 2016s fly really well. 
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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #61 on: December 13, 2024, 08:00:11 AM »
I'm looking forward to any response to this as well .........  over the years I've certainly shot all 3, wood, alum and carbon.  I wouldn't ever want to say 1 is "better" than the other but more so each is very different from the other.  Between carbon and aluminum specifically,  I'd be curious to see why folks opt for aluminum or to go back to aluminum AFTER shooting carbon ...... 

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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #62 on: December 13, 2024, 08:21:31 AM »
After going back and reading from the beginning,  I see a lot of folks points.....funny how reading everything in it's entirety paints at least a slightly different picture for ya  :biglaugh:  I'm guilty here and there,  reading faster than the melon will process.
Regardless of anything,  it's always interesting to get to see what folks are running for tackle and why they prefer this over that or what they personally have the best results with or get the most satisfaction out of while hunting or shooting.

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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #63 on: December 13, 2024, 08:34:26 AM »
I guess I'm somewhat guilty as well, but was hoping others that have made the switch would chime in.

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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #64 on: December 13, 2024, 09:40:00 AM »
I switched form carbon to aluminum a couple years ago. For me, it's easier to get the length arrow and head weight I want with an aluminum arrow. Plus, it's what I started bow hunting with so I'm partial to it I guess.


Both carbon and aluminum killed game for me just fine but I like aluminum better.
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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #65 on: December 13, 2024, 09:48:28 AM »
In my personal experience and whatever that's worth or not,  here are some of my observations comparing carbon to aluminum.  Now,  I was late trying carbon and shot aluminum for the majority of my archery life to include the wheeled jobs that I abandoned for good, a couple decades ago now...... during that time,  I never stopped with recurves, started with them at about 7 years old.
 
Pros of aluminum:   straightness!,  easy to work with,  GPI for trad bows, they won't splinter or shatter,  much more resilient than wood in most regards,  reasonably priced.
Cons of aluminum:  I never had an aluminum I could straighten even remotely close to my liking to being usable again when tweaked or bent out of straightness!  That shaft would be trash!  I always felt that if (when!) and aluminum shaft bumps into just about anything,  there's that metallic ding that's like an air raid horn in the middle of the woods. The colder it was, the worse it sounded.  Bumping off your riser,  a piece of gear,  however it may happen. Lastly,  to get real good adhesion for fletch, I would dip my aluminum shafts.  Mostly in clear for fast down and dirty,  or a white cap dip and cresting and all that if I wanted to make them nice. Either way, still an extra step for ME.
As you can see, not many cons for aluminum and those are just MY experiences with the way I did things.

Pros for Carbon: Straight (enough haha, even the .006),  very durable in my experience if you hit something solid and obviously,  won't get bent.  I would never neglect to flex check one after an undesirably hard hit, paying special attention at the nock end.  I've never worried in the rare instance I've had to do this inspection and found no obvious issues.
Easy to work with......just different than aluminum (or wood for that matter). No metallic noise when you bump a shaft into anything.   More options for narrow diameters, with most carbons being skinnier than aluminums to start with.
Cons for Carbon: Most average carbons are not as straight as aluminum, unless you spend $$$,  which brings us to cost. They can shatter or splinter or however you want to describe the breakage if one where to be compromised/damaged/cracked and you then shot such shaft from your bow. Potentially not a good day.
Guess like most things, it comes down to preference and just what you are looking for or what details out weight this one or that one.  What works for you, works for you! And that is what you need!
Depending on how hard you are on your  arrows would determine how cost effective aluminum would be compared to carbon,  seeing as though (in my experience) carbon takes more of a hit.  Carbon is expensive out the gate.  But I would argue that if you have a knack for sending them into the hard stuff,  the carbon might ..... might .... suit you better, and mostly because as I stated from experiences I've had, a bent aluminum is garbage.  That same hit with a carbon might have a better chance at surviving.  This being said,  I have aluminum arrow sets that are over 30 years old and many of those arrows have been shot more times than I could count.  I never hit anything hard with those ones apparently.  As I have not shot an aluminum arrow now in at least 15 years,  I should go try some for the sake of fun ....... in the end,  that's what it's all about really. I am not arguing for any type of arrow shafting here.  I really like seeing that aluminum is very alive and well.  I really like reading and learning what works for folks and why.  I will declare,  the camo XX75 aluminum shafting has got to be the best looking of any arrow shaft ever commercially produced! :campfire:


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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2024, 10:14:01 AM »
I never really switched to carbon in the first place. I did buy 2 dozen on sale for a good price...seemed good at the time anyway. They were light and I didn't want to buy new broadheads so I did the weight tube thing. You can make it work but what a giant pain in the back side.

I went back to using the aluminums. I still have a bundle of those carbons laying around someplace. I'll use them up eventually.

As long as they keep selling aluminum shafts that fit my needs that's what I'll use.

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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2024, 10:32:22 AM »
I never used carbon arrows. Just never saw the need for it as what I had was working fine for me. So many guys bought into what the compound shooters and salesmen were telling them they just forgot how aluminum shafts were working. I started with a compound in the 70's when Easton was selling the old green Gamegetters that the finish would wear off from in a target, especially hay bales. Guys were killing deer with recurves and the Bear Whitetail Hunter compound. Then we got the new green Gamegetters with the hard finish and we thought they were the nuts. Then the Gamegetter II and Autumn Orange and the Camo Hunter, then finally, the XX78. We had some of all of those and they all worked just fine for us. Some of us shot and hunted so much, we lost or ruined many of our arrows. That's how we learned to build and tune arrows. It's a pretty simple process with an aluminum shaft if you had some sort of fletching jig. You could cut them pretty easily and clean up the mouths with a file or sanding block. Some Fletch-Tite and Ferrule-Tite and we were off and running. Still is that way. We don't need various special inserts or weights, special nocks or what have you. The aluminum shaft worked well 40 years ago and they will now. I build a set of woodies once in a while now but It seems like I usually don't have the time to do that. I just fletched a dozen 2016s a couple of evenings ago, balanced the bank account and watched a couple of movies while doing it too. It was a good evening.
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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #68 on: December 15, 2024, 08:19:40 AM »
I’ve still got a bunch of aluminum arrows lying around. Haven’t really shot them in quite a few years. But it does seem it was easier to get good flight with them. If I bent or nicked one I straightened it and it became a stump arrow. I guess I miss having dedicated stumping arrows too. 
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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2024, 05:09:47 PM »
Recently there are a lot of posts all over the www about going back to aluminum. I agree!

 I have a small fortune in carbon arrows in a box in my barn. After what seems like a million or so shots with carbon arrows and carbon arrow testing on all types of longbows and recurves, I am convinced aluminum is easier to hit the mark with. Last year I came to the conclusion that I won't use carbon anymore. It is either cedar or aluminum.

  I just got a 1/2 doz 2117 for a bow that should be arriving any day now. I usually hunt with cedar but do like the idea of being able use lighted nocks with aluminum uni-inserts. I'd like to see someone make more of a variety of glue in/glue on inserts. That seems like a better connection and you could make use of the heavier heads on the market.

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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #70 on: December 15, 2024, 10:57:03 PM »
I'm seeing more and more of these threads about going back to aluminum from carbon.  I wonder if folks are tired of paying the high price for carbon, or if they're seeing a performance difference.  If you've made that switch, please share why.

I've been shooting GT trads for years and have been happy with them.  Recently I found some 2016s in my basement and for giggles gave them a go.  Maybe I just got lucky with the length and point weight, but there's no question that I'm shooting them more accurately than the GTs, even though the 2016s bare shaft just slightly stiff.   

Bow is a 44 @ 28 Toelke Whistler (drawing 28).  GTs are 600 spine, cut to 29", 100 gr insert and 150 gr point.  2016s are cut to 29.5, standard insert and 150 gr point.  The GT 600s seem like a better choice, but like I said, the 2016s fly really well.

I think the reason guys are getting better accuracy with the aluminum shafts is that they are hands down the most consistent in spine stiffness. Carbon doesn't even come close for spine consistency... Actually.... Some carbon shafts are all over the place from one arrow to the next and need to be put on a spine tester to find the stiff side and match them up... Even high end carbon shafts need to be fine tuned with a spine tester to be real accurate...

That being said.... i still shoot carbon shafts because they are either dead straight, or broken... Nothing worse than falling down on a hunting trip with a full quiver of arrows getting bent to ruin your whole day....  Anyone who says they can straighten aluminum arrows to shoot the same as they were new is pulling your leg, or calls 6" groups at 20 yards "Close enough."  When you try and straighten an aluminum shaft, it screws up the spine stiffness. They honestly never will shoot well again... 

With all that being said....I hunted with Aluminum shafts for many years, and killed a lot of animals with them. When i bent one, i broke them over my knee.  Kirk
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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2024, 05:34:52 AM »
For reasons I won't get into I'm on a small detour back to carbons until this summer.

That disclosed, aluminum is straighter, more spine consistent, no deviation from from grain weights, less expensive, and much easier to cut, strip feathers, etc, etc than carbon. Aluminum has been used back as far back as in the late 30's in Olympic competition. For anyone chasing a 'traditional' perspective to their personal journey; I would think aluminum fits.

In fact, about the only significant difference that makes carbon rule the current arrow world is its durability. Given I lose more arrows than I break that's not enough of an advantage to give up the aluminum attributes.
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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2024, 09:54:02 AM »
We have a lot of aluminum shafts on close out now.. Unbeatable deals too! $32 per doz for most
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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2024, 11:42:29 AM »
Anyone remember those ACX arrows made by Easton that had carbon over aluminum?  Those were incredibly consistent arrow shafts that held up really well. I used those in long distance competition years ago and had great results…

I had some that I chipped the carbon off that I repaired with bondo that worked great too. Expensive little buggers, but great arrows.    Kirk
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Re: Going back to aluminums and staying there
« Reply #74 on: December 17, 2024, 08:33:43 AM »
I remember those ...... i believe they were called ACC's.  I believe the bare shafts were $100 a dozen and at the time (a young man) I thought to myself wow,  those are expensive!  I can remember all the 3d guys using them.  First time I saw a bunch of them, They were fletched with a black Bi Delta vein ..... looked like a 4 inch vein with the center portion of the vein removed,  so that you had a small vein toward the front and a larger taller vein toward the nock end.  How's that for a gimmick........
That shafting was all black,  and those veins were all black, with a black nock.  I asked the older guy at the shop who was the bow guru there, "What's up with those?"  He told me the guy that ordered them wanted all black for 3d so that people would have a hard time aiming for his arrow. It's funny to remember stuff like that from what seems like so long ago.

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