There is just something about a long bow....Finished Photos

[Kirkll]

All these years of shooting trad bows and building different designs, there is just something about the feel of a long bow that appeals to me.  I hunt with shorter hybrid bows, and love that smooth draw they provide. I also enjoy shooting a nice static tip RC with a sculptured grip.

But.... When i can pick up a long bow i've never shot before and place a group of touching arrows on the first 3 shots.... I mean.... I can help but love this thing.

Here is a 62" Flatliner i'm just spraying the finish on that just amazed me how well it shoots.

[Buggs]

Nice shooting Maybe try from more than 10yds out next time

I'm surprised at the small amount of limb length that appears to be doing all the work. That typical?

[Kirkll]

 Yup... that's the design bro. Static tip long bow. Better string angle, and a bit higher performance......004 forward taper and 6" tip wedges. This one has Bamboo & paduke, cores, with a hickory belly lam, and blood wood wedges and overlays. It Has two sets of limbs, one at 50#  , one at 55#     Kirk

[Roy from Pa]

Pretty nice Kirk.

[Buggs]

I don't understand the better string angle? 

Better than what?

[mmattockx]

I don't understand the better string angle? 

Better than what?

Better than the same bow without a static tip. Fibreglass is so much stronger than wood that it lends itself to keeping the working limb very short. This tends to help performance by limiting limb vibration and maximizing the potential of the FG lams.

You could never do that same bend on an all wood bow, the limb would fail from massive set or the back would let go.


Mark

[Buggs]

So you saying that two bows with the same limb and string length, pulled to the same draw length, will have different string angles depending on if it has a static tip or not?

You guys must be referring to the angle of the string to the limb, not the string to arrow?
Or should I have said the angle the string is bent at?

[Longcruise]

I prefer a real longbow.     

[mmattockx]

So you saying that two bows with the same limb and string length, pulled to the same draw length, will have different string angles depending on if it has a static tip or not?

You guys must be referring to the angle of the string to the limb, not the string to arrow?
Or should I have said the angle the string is bent at?

Yes, the string angle as measured between the string and the limb near the tip. Although the string angle from the string to the arrow would be slightly different between those two bow designs as well, but not by a huge difference. A different tiller always puts the limb tip in a different spot at full draw.

Nice looking bow, Kirk.


Mark

[Mad Max]

Nice shooter and shooting Kirk

[Buggs]

Thanks for the clarification. Still having trouble visualizing how the tips would end up in different "spots" ?
The rest of the limb will have to bend enough to achieve that draw length and that angle should be fixed by string and total lever length?

[Appalachian Hillbilly]

Every limb design can place the fulcrum or lever pivot point in a different spot. This will change that position some. If over the length of the lever, shape changes as it is drawn, or if the shape remains constant, this will effect tip position as well.

Not huge changes mind you. But still some change.

[Buggs]

So if you move the fulcrum out toward the tip, how do you get the limb to bend enough to reach the specified draw length?

[Appalachian Hillbilly]

You will have more of a concentrated bend or even a "hinge" as some people call it.

[Kirkll]

So you saying that two bows with the same limb and string length, pulled to the same draw length, will have different string angles depending on if it has a static tip or not?

You guys must be referring to the angle of the string to the limb, not the string to arrow?
Or should I have said the angle the string is bent at?

The string angle I’m referring to is full draw at the fingers.  On long bows that bend the full length of the limb from the riser threw the tips , the bow tip to tip distance is shorter and the string angle more severe.  A static tip maintains the tip to tip length of the bow at full draw much better with a flatter string angle.

I have a 60” static tip recurve that has a much flatter string angle than. 70” Hill style bow….

But….. I said nothing about string length…. We could get all side tracked into limb design and pre load settings with string length adjustment, but I’m trying to avoid going down any rabbit holes…..   a 62” bow with a 60” string is going to have a different string angle than one with a 59”  on the same bow.

 But things change drastically as you start moving the working limbs out further and stiffening the tips, you can have different string lengths and string angles completely on same length bows that have a full limb bend……. Kirk

[Kirkll]

So if you move the fulcrum out toward the tip, how do you get the limb to bend enough to reach the specified draw length?

That is the beauty of it Buggs… the limb doesn’t bend as much with the longer string, and it stores all the energy in a shorter portion on the limb. You end up with less limb travel, and a better string angle at full draw.

Kirk

[Buggs]

But….. I said nothing about string length…. We could get all side tracked into limb design and pre load settings with string length adjustment, but I’m trying to avoid going down any rabbit holes…..   a 62” bow with a 60” string is going to have a different string angle than one with a 59”  on the same bow.

"That is the beauty of it Buggs… the limb doesn’t bend as much with the longer string, and it stores all the energy in a shorter portion on the limb. You end up with less limb travel, and a better string angle at full draw."



So you are changing one of the "fixed" parameters to get a different string angle. Specifically the string length.
Otherwise two bows with the same length limbs and strings, could not have different string angles at the string fulcrum, no matter where they bend, as long as they are being drawn to the same distance.
Jeez, that was like pulling teeth to get the full picture

[mmattockx]

Otherwise two bows with the same length limbs and strings, could not have different string angles at the string fulcrum, no matter where they bend, as long as they are being drawn to the same distance.

I don't think that is correct, but I have never worried about the string length so I can't say for sure.


Mark

[Buggs]

No its not correct. I had to go do a mock up to see what was happening. The farther out on the limb that the fulcrum is placed, the more acute the angle is at the string nocking point.

My apologies for dragging you guys thru my brain fog. I should have done a mock up from the get go

[mmattockx]

No its not correct. I had to go do a mock up to see what was happening. The farther out on the limb that the fulcrum is placed, the more acute the angle is at the string nocking point.

My apologies for dragging you guys thru my brain fog. I should have done a mock up from the get go

No worries, it's all a learning/experimental experience.


Mark