I've owned a number of Dan Toelke D/R Whips, standard and classic grips. They are to me considering manners and speed the finest shooting bows I've ever shot. That said I find his Super Ds to be the bow that I like even better, there is something about them that is hard to explain but I really, really like them. I tore a rotator cuff during the initial Covid outbreak and sold the 3 Super Ds, 49 to 54 lbs. that I had settled on. Dan made me a 36 lb. Classic Whip which I've shot for a while and I've come back enough now that I should have another Super D, 66" and 45lbs @29" in a couple of weeks. Did I mention I really like them?