MDSHOOTER, GREAT JOB!! I HAD TO DO THE SAME THING OR CLOSE TO IT WITH MY OWN BROTHER! HE TOO,ONCE LOOKED DOWN AT ME AND MY TRAD EQUIPT, TILL I PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE ONLY I ASKED HIM TO SHOOT THE SAME WAY THAT I DO,WHICH WAS LYING ON MY STOMACH,BOW PARRELL TO THE GROUND AS IF YOU JUST STALKED UP CLOSE TO A WHITETAIL( ASHOT I PRATICE ALOT) I MADE A DOUBLE LUNG KILL ON A 3D BUCK AT ABOUT 18 PACES, HE TRIED BUT COULDN'T KEEP HIS ARROW ON THE REST(SORRY BRO) THEN HE GAVE UP!! HE NOW SHOOTS TRAD GEAR!!! OH, I HAVE TAKEN AS MANY DEER WITH TRAD GEAR AS HE DOES WITH GUNS, AND TO THIS DAY HE STILL HAS TO GET HIS FIRST WITH ANY BOW,BUT WE WILL CHANGE THAT SOON!!