3Rivers Archery



The Trad Gang Digital Market













Contribute to Trad Gang and Access the Classifieds!

Become a Trad Gang Sponsor!

Traditional Archery for Bowhunters






LEFT HAND BOWS CLASSIFIEDS TRAD GANG CLASSIFIEDS ACCESS RIGHT HAND BOWS CLASSIFIEDS


Author Topic: What's so wrong with full length arrows?  (Read 687 times)

Offline MikeP in WV

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 35
What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« on: July 24, 2008, 06:30:00 AM »
Just curious but why do not more trad shooters leave their arrows full length, or at least pretty long? I read countless threads about folks struggling with spine, weight and arrow flight when chopping their arrows to 28.5" and having to add extra tip weight to get the spine right. I've been shooting 32" GT 55-75s out of a 55# recurve and 33" Easton Legacy 2020s out of my 63# longbow with 125gr up front and they fly great. Plus I think the extra length aids in penetration and the extra weight left on is a bonus. Just curious if anybody else leaves 'em long or am I missing something...thoughts?

Offline CJC

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 196
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2008, 06:44:00 AM »
i have not cut an arrow in years.  set them up so i dont have too.  i have a 30.5 inch draw however. i say cut them as little as possible.

Offline Earl E. Nov...mber

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 1275
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2008, 07:03:00 AM »
I'll reply with a question... Why shoot an arrow longer than necessary?
Many have died for my freedom.
One has died for my soul.

Offline aYak

  • TGMM Member
  • Trad Bowhunter
  • ***
  • Posts: 107
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2008, 07:04:00 AM »
must just depend how 'centershot' your bow is and whether having a 'weaker' arrow affects your particular setup.  me, my knuckles drag the ground, so I have no choice.  The longer the arrow is left, the less weight I can put out front, unless I mess with the sideplate.
TGMM Family of the Bow

Offline Lewis Brookshire III

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 1213
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2008, 07:25:00 AM »
Why does my wife prefer the color blue when I like Brown?

Everyone has there own opinion and likes. Spice of life, so they say.
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
- Jim Elliot: Missionary/Martyr.

Offline Molson

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 1582
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2008, 07:41:00 AM »
I'll give you one that has nothing to do with spine or arrow performance.  

When hunting, longer arrows stick further out of a back quiver, further out of a hip quiver, and further out of a bow quiver. All of this means you will tangle with more brush, provide more leverage for brush to knock arrows out of your quiver, and stick your nocks in the dirt more frequently whenever you set your bow down.
"The old ways will work in the future, but the new ways have never worked in the past."

Offline Don Batten

  • SRBZ
  • Trad Bowhunter
  • ***
  • Posts: 1548
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2008, 07:46:00 AM »
I love full length arrows. I only cut an arrow when I can't tune it with point weight. I guess I'm lazy when it comes to pulling the insert,cutting off a 1/4 inch and trying again. The big plus for me is a longer arrow narrows my Gap. Not the rule, but it works fine for me. Don
"The older I get, the better I was" Byron Fergenson.

Offline Matt Stuckey

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 92
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2008, 07:47:00 AM »
Many of the native tribes all over the world who depend on their ability to hunt to survive use extremely long arrows, up to six feet in length.  I'm sure over the hundreds or thousands of years that they have been doing making arrows they have tried every combination possible.  
Why not go with the longer arrow, if you are able to manuever without nocking it offf the shelf I see no reason not to.

Offline Matt Fowler

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 302
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2008, 07:48:00 AM »
I shoot full length shafts. I like the clearance between my bow hand and broadhead, especially in cold weather with gloves. If I feel that broadhead touching my hand it screws up my shot. I have a 30in draw though.

Offline BobW

  • TGMM Member
  • Trad Bowhunter
  • ***
  • Posts: 2318
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2008, 08:36:00 AM »
At 32" of draw, I have no idea what you are talking about.  :saywhat:  .... I actually have to extend mine to keep from a bloody experience when the bh's go on..  :cool:  ....
"A sagittis hungarorum libera nos Domine"
>>---TGMM-Family-of-the-Bow--->
Member: Double-T Archery Club, Amherst, NY
St. Judes - $100k for 2010 - WE DID IT!!!!

Offline Don Stokes

  • Tradbowhunter
  • Trad Bowhunter
  • *
  • Posts: 2607
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2008, 09:10:00 AM »
Every inch of length you add makes it necessary to have 5# more spine in the shaft. If that's not a problem, go for it!
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.- Ben Franklin

Offline Chris Lantz

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 104
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2008, 10:02:00 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Molson:
I'll give you one that has nothing to do with spine or arrow performance.  

When hunting, longer arrows stick further out of a back quiver, further out of a hip quiver, and further out of a bow quiver. All of this means you will tangle with more brush, provide more leverage for brush to knock arrows out of your quiver, and stick your nocks in the dirt more frequently whenever you set your bow down.
Yup, a 28" or 29" arrow is a lot less cumbersome in the brush then a full length shaft.

I don't know if it applies to anyone here but Fred Bear kept his arrows short enough so the back of the broadhead would touch his knuckle when reaching full draw, he used this as a draw check.

Offline BEN

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 1105
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2008, 10:38:00 AM »
I have just a 27.5" draw but shoot 30" carbon arrows.
I used to cut them down more trying to get a little lighter, hoping as a beginner to minimize trajectory and guess work. now I'm happy with more weight and shoot the heaviest carbon arrows I can find and keep them 30". Its a happy medium for me----not quite as long as full length, but a little longer than necessary to provide the extra weight.

Ben
Ben
M.O.A.B  54# Thunderstick
Ancient Spirits 62# "Thunderhawk"
Browning Wasp 45#

"VEGETARIAN"----Old Indian word for "BAD HUNTER".

Offline Orion

  • TG HALL OF FAME
  • Trad Bowhunter
  • *****
  • Posts: 8252
  • Contributing Member
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2008, 10:40:00 AM »
I agree with Molson.  Also, you create more movement pulling a longer arrow out of your quiver and getting it onto the string.  Or, if you have to maneuver in a tight spot for a shot, the extra length will often hang you up.  For target shooting, of course, it's not a problem.

Offline Blackhawk

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 3863
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2008, 11:56:00 AM »
"Look at that guy shooting with all that arrow sticking out...he's not even at full draw."

I've heard this more than once, and it even made me a little self-conscious.  

Folks need to realize that having a few inches hanging out could be a good thing.

(Did that sound right?)   :bigsmyl:
Lon Scott

Offline buckeye_hunter

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 2982
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2008, 12:47:00 PM »
Easy now Blackhawk!

I have been wondering if it would be easier to tune arrows that you received full length. Pecut arrows seem to be a pain in the arse to tune well.

Along that line, what causes arrows to barrel roll while in flight?

-Charlie

Offline Dutchman

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 517
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2008, 12:49:00 PM »
With a 31" draw length, I have no real choice but to leave them at full length.
Remember the Alamo!

Offline crossstickspro

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 144
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2008, 02:02:00 PM »
Well as many said before me opinion is the most important,If you have confidence in your equipment you will shoot it beter than if you dont.
on the other hand, if you are shooting carbon one thing to keep in mind is arrow stability.
The more stable your arrow is the shorter the feather and you can achieve f.o.c with ease.
to do this you can shoot an arrow as stiff as possible and break down the spine with more tip weight. Many compatition shooters do this for accuracy both in trad. and in compound...I learnd this with my trainig wheels and carried it over to my self bows.
Crossstickspro, Not my name ... more of a goal

Offline Orion

  • TG HALL OF FAME
  • Trad Bowhunter
  • *****
  • Posts: 8252
  • Contributing Member
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2008, 02:08:00 PM »
Blackhawk:    :biglaugh:

Offline OsageBowyer

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 25
Re: What's so wrong with full length arrows?
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2008, 02:20:00 PM »
when shooting reproduction native american self bows with short draw lenghts the very real risk of over draw failure can be avoided by using arrows cut to proper draw lenght or so my pile of broken/overdrawn self bows tells me
Our 2nd amendment rights do not begin or end with firearms & "shall not be infringed" reasonably or not! They are coming for your Bows, Knives, & Pointy sticks next

Users currently browsing this topic:

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
 

Contact Us | Trad Gang.com © | User Agreement

Copyright 2003 thru 2024 ~ Trad Gang.com ©