Ashby BH - Alaska Bowhunting Supply

[zilla]

Velly intellesting.....

[Morning Star]

After scanning through all these posts, I'm not seeing the Ashby head dimensions.   What will the final product's width be?"

[bm22]

i think it is 1 in. wide and 3 in. long a true 3 to 1.

i don't think the edge was that torn up, that is a really close picture. looking at the before and after pictures  the holes seem to be in the same spot indicating he didn't take a lot of metal off to get a true edge again.

also i hope for the wensel woodsmans sake it is ALOT  stronger than a deers leg bone. if not it would curl every time you hit a bone.

seems like this head is going to have a lot of competition coming up at a lot lower price if the new abowyer is also single bevel  and the steel force.

[joebuck]

Other heads ( Abowyer and Steelforce) price will reflect on quality of metal and construction. How many heads out there today are CNC machined out of a solid piece of 440B stainless or =?...I may be corrected but this head may be the first of it's kind considering quality of metal and construction...

 For the record I have taken many deer , hogs, tundra swan and turkeys with the WW. It is an excellant head for hunting big game when a bowhunter can get it razor razor sharp.

[Desperado]

At the last Denton rendezvous I bought a beautiful Black Widow MA II, 62", 55 lbs.@28, graybark for the same price 18 Ashby broadheads would cost me.
Lets see...18 Ashby broadheads or another Widow...HMMM????
IMHO,anyone who would pay $90.00 for 3 broadheads whether they could afford to or not, must be sniffing or snorting their buck lure! I agree with buying quality, but $30.00 a piece is insane when there are so many excellent broadheads out there for way less!  Cotton

[b.glass]

Call me crazy but I ordered mine as soon as I could. How many bows can anyone shoot anyway? Time will tell as to their worth. I intend to find out for myself.
 :cool:

[hogdancer]

Finally ! someone who is willing to find out for themselves and not just jump on the bandwagon without ever even seeing one, at least borrow one and look at it before you pronounce it not worth it.

[Biggie Hoffman]

Thomas, loan me yours?

[JimB]

$30 is a lot for a broadhead,given what we are used to paying.It seems to me there are quite a few people willing to pay $700-$1500 for a custom bow but we think $30 is too much for a broadhead that can be used over and over.Isn't the projectile what does most of the work?Dr.Ashby's studies show that optimizing the broadhead/arrow setup can increase penetration 100 % or so.That's pretty amazing.How much would you pay for a bow that would give you twice the penetration of your current setup,at the same weight of draw?I'm starting to rethink what I would pay for arrows and broadheads.Having said all that,I'm sure there will be non CNC machined versions coming out soon also,that will be a lot cheaper.This one may be the Rolls Royce of heavy heads for those willing to pay for it.Broadhead collectors may want to grab a couple-just in case.

[joebuck]

i thought about the same scenerios...guys buying $500 used "Custom" bows that don't shoot any more accurate than a $50 pawn shop Pearson Javalina complaining about a $30 head.......if anyone is considering these heads, i would not hesitate in ordering today. They are pretty busy with orders.

Biggie, Thomas craftfully snatched mine right off my arrow....

[hogdancer]

Aw come on now Biggie, a celebrity like you ought to be covered up with them    

[JohnV]

Marty, don't plan on Joey traveling to Florida to hunt turkeys next March.  He'll still be making payments on his 3-pack of broadheads.

[George D. Stout]

Sorry guys, you can hard-sell all you want.  What you have is an expensive broadhead that isn't any tougher than many already in use, and you think we are hard-headed for not buying some to try.   Well...I'll just muddle by with my Bear Razorheads and Ribteks, which should get much cheaper now since nobody will want them 8^).

Anyway....that broadhead must be used...someone already drilled holes in it 8^).

[hogdancer]

and I will muddle along with my Wensel Woodsmans, I don't think you are hard headed for not trying them, it's fine if you don't, does'nt matter to me ! I just think it's the height of ignorance to go on so much about something you have never even SEEN !  but that happens on the internet I guess, you don't have to have any experiance with something to broadcast your opinion.  Is an informed opinion too much to ask for ?

[Biggie Hoffman]

Easy Thomas....all in fun here......

I don't have to see one to know it isn't any better than all of the rest. Would I spend $30 on a head? Sure, I would, and have. Bt this new head is being touted as the end of all ends...propped up by a bunch of "testing" that has led you right to it....THAT I don't buy, $30 or $3.

[pdk25]

Originally posted by hogdancer:
 Is an informed opinion too much to ask for ?

It would be nice if that were the case. In this instance, then only a couple of people would be posting.  That would certainly be a boring dialogue.  The rest is speculation, which doesn't seem unreasonable.  For some, money is no issue.  For others it is. I remember the hype with the woodsman and have talked to enough people that have shot them and had problems to be willing to wait for the test audience that is buying these broadheads to weigh in on how great they are in the future.  On the surface these look like great broadheads, and well constructed.  Necessary for deer?  Probably not.  And that is what the majority of people would probably be using them for.  Helpful for hogs?  Not sure how much improvement over modified grizzlies.  Some independent testing down the road should help to answer that question.

[joebuck]

IMO this head will not kill a deer any quicker than a modified Grizzly or George's Cinder block crusted Ribteck! However........Having held the head in my hand it sharpens so easily due to bevel present and  quality of the 440B stainless ( not 440 or 440a)...440B stainless!
........Also the one piece CNC machined head is absolutely bomb proof in a 58 rockwell......If the head cost $3 or $300 it would still be more hunter friendly compared to others..........If your a grizzly fan or single bevel or follow Ed Ashbys penetration tests...This head IMO is what you have been hoping for in a high quality head.

Sorry Biggie , I shot your Woodsman you had a hand in designing with the twins. Will you forgive me? I should have shot a Ribteck!!!!!  :D

[Jason R. Wesbrock]

Originally posted by Biggie Hoffman:

I don't have to see one to know it isn't any better than all of the rest. Would I spend $30 on a head? Sure, I would, and have.

Now that I think about it, I have actually spent $30 on a single broadhead. I was a pristine, unmounted, unsharpened '46 Ace Hi-Speed I got on an internet auction site to give to Bob Mayo, the owner of Ace Archery Tackle. It turned out he already had one, so I figured after 60 years of collecting dust it should probably kill something.

This year, it will.    

[bm22]

Originally posted by Biggie Hoffman:
 Bt this new head is being touted as the end of all ends...propped up by a bunch of "testing" that has led you right to it....THAT I don't buy, $30 or $3.

what part of the 2 blade single bevel "testing" do you have a problem with. i have heard a lot of people that don't believe the testing but have yet to hear anyone point to ONE thing that have a problem with.

is it the twisting in flesh
twisting bone
finer cutting edge due to 25 degree
3 to 1 penetrates better than other heads

WHAT IS IT!!!!!!

i would agree biggie if i had a 32 in. draw i could shoot any head i wanted with a heavy arrow and pretty much shoot through any deer in the U.S. but i have a 29 in. draw and most people have less than a 28 in. hunting draw and need a little help to insure a pass threw given a nonperfect hit.

i know this seems like i am pointing just at biggie, i am not, i am talking to anyone that disagrees with dr. ashby's research. i am trying to learn and want to hear what you disagree with.

as far as the head goes i think it would depend on what your time is worth to you and how much you want to pay for comfort. in that i mean the head is almost the same thing as a grizzly you just don't need to work at sharping it for 20 or 30 min. each head to get it right the first time and with the stainless steel you wont have to touch it up every 5 min. to keep it sharp.

[hogdancer]

PDK25 well said, I don't think these heads are neccisary for deer, like I said I will still use a woodsman . certainly don't mind a differant opinion or criticizm (sp?) I just think if you don't have first hand knowledge don't talk down to others or ridicule something you don't know about. a differant point of view is fine. I could care less if anyone uses this head or not, I saw one , was impressed with the quality such as I have never seen before in a broadhead and figured I would relate what I have seen to other like-minded archers and all of a sudden I am accused of "hard-selling" something. I am just telling what I saw and my observations, that's all, take my opinion for what you paid for it.