thanks Larry and Ron! this goes to show just how fast things can turn sour. I've hunted from tree stands for YEARS without the slightest problem "until now". with the rut kicking in I wanted to hunt a certain area next week so about mid-day I started to put up the stand. I had only gone up about 12' when the step I was standing on just popped out. I was in a whiteoak and made certain to screw the steps in as far as possible. I was very lucky that my left foot landed solid on another step on the way down (after the one above it about ripped my arm off) stopping what could have been an even worse injury. I feel VERY lucky and after today I'm not gonna put much faith in screw-in steps. like Al said....we have 4 sets of climbing sticks headed our way.