Kinetic bows

[k9jones]

Hey guys, what are your thoughts on these kinetic bows (Dalla or Master).  Tonight is the first night that I have read anything about them.  Most  of their reviews are excellent.

[mexican UFC]

well they arent kind to the wallet,
but they do look awsome!!!

[Carbon Caster]

I own a Dalaa and have shot a Master.  Whats not to like?  LOL!!!  

They are DEAD in the hand on the shot, very stable, and the kicker for me, SMOOTH AS BUTTER ON THE DRAW CYCLE!!!!!!  Mine gains about 1.75-2# per inch out to 30".  They are very tunable either shot off the shelf or a rest and plunger.  They allow you to play with shooting 3 under or split by the adjustable tiller.  

Guys are going to tell you they are HEAVY, but actually they are lighter than several takedown non metal risered recurves I have owned and shot, (Black Widow, Palmer, and a few others come to mind off the bat).

Others will tell you that they are COLD, but they have a wood grip, and somehow the guys shooting those wheeled bows ALL have managed to make it o.k. in the cold without having their hands stick to the risers.

Some will say they are not traditional, but Metal risered recurves have been around longer than I have been alive and back when archery was just that archery, they were thought of as just another recurve.

There are a few that will chime in and say, "THEY ARE JUST NOT FOR ME!!!"  These are the guys that somehow feel threatened by Metal risers and seek these threads out to make their position known so they can hold their ground.  LOL!!!  I think we ALL figured it out the 10th time they stated that!  HA HA HA!!

Others will say they are loud, and I have NO CLUE where they are coming from.  I have some wool yarn wrapped around the string where the string touches the limb (Poor man's Bowhush) and one set of BW spider silencers and it is QUIET.  BTW I have been shooting a Winter Dart league with very light arrows and it is still QUIET!!!!  That is with a 10 strand 8125 padded loop string too!

Is a DAS for you??  I don't know, but you owe it to yourself to shoot one and see.  I wasn't real interested until I had one in my hand and after the first shot, I HAD TO HAVE ONE!!  It is the only recurve I own, and those that know me, know I have owned SEVERAL and many at the same time.

If you get past the prejudices against them by a very small minority and try one, you might like it, or you might not.

Just to give you a platform to see where I am coming from.  I love longbows and own SEVERAL.  I build Bamboo Backed Trilam bows as well.  I have a spliced Billet Osage Selfbow almost done, and I am even going to be building some cane arrows soon, so you see I LOVE every aspect and facet of archery.  The DAS is just another wonderful facet of this great sport for me.

There might be someone in NC with one you could try out.

God Bless

[saltwatertom]

All my research has only turned up favorable information, sounds like about the best there is out there. So......... I just ordered one yesterday, sheepishly told my wife and she just laughed, knew I couldn't control myself. I will let you all know how it shoots in a couple of days!  

[Jaeger]

I can't add much to Carbon Caster's post. I own a Master and I absolutely love it. I really lends itself to being shot well. They are definitely one of the best bows on the market.
Shoot one and you'll see what we mean.

[MikeC]

I own a Master and I second what Carbon said.  You honestly will not find a finer shooting recurve...Period.

One of the DAS riser's finest attributes IMHO is that you don't have to rely on a bowyer ever, to make you extra limbs, all you need is the bushings from DAS and they are I believe $20.00.  Easily pressed in.

Limbs are available everywhere and when you want them from older ILF limbs that are better than most bowyers limbs, available for a song on the second hand market to state of the art foam carbon limbs used by todays top olympic archers.

[Carbon Caster]

K9Jones,

I must apologize for ruining what could have been an enjoyable thread.  I went and put the truth up before false assumptions could be made.  LOL!!!!

Let us know if you shoot one and what YOU think, because that is all that REALLY matters.

[Arrow4Christ]

Carbon Caster said it. They are the most accurate bows I've shot...very fast as well.

[OKCtradguy]

Keep in mind that some traditional shoots won't allow them because they aren't shot off the shelf and they are metal risered.  I am not trying to start a war here; I simply want to make sure that folks are informed as to the pros and cons regarding a purchase.

Functionally speaking, they are excellent.  I will probably get flamed for this but I find the metal riser to be kind of boring (probably a mental hangup from my old compound days).  If you can get past the metal riser and olympic style limbs, they are incredible.  I have tried but have been unsuccessful to date.

[larry]

I shoot mine off the shelf, and I don't know of any shoot that wouldn't let you use a metal risered recuve, not saying there aren't any. It wouldn't bother me anyway, cause I bought it to hunt with.

[James Wrenn]

You can stick a $2 plastic rest on a classic wooden recurve and it will not be legal at some shoots although the bow came equiped with a rest when new.    You can shoot the DAS with or without one if you wish.The piece of plastic is the deciding factor at any shoot.Not the bow.

[katman]

OKCtradguy, I was also hung up on the metal riser and thought about it, Metal has been on this planet longer than wood. Not trying to flame you at all. So I am purchasing a Dalaa to find out for myself it it works for me.

If one sticks to purely selfbows scratched out with home made hand tools that is as basic as you can get, anything above this is a compromise you make to have a better weapon, question becomes where do you draw the line. That is a personal question each has to answer for themselves.

Sorry about going in a tangent, have read many good things on the Das/Dalaa and can not wait to try one out.

[MMilin]

The DAS Dalaa can be shot with an elevated rest OR off the shelf.  I shoot mine off the shelf and would not have bought one if an elevated rest had been obligatory.  (That's just me.)

Never heard of a shoot that disqualifies or discourages metal risers.  If someone can show me evidence to the contrary, I'd be interested.

Mark

[estacado]

I have 3 sets of limbs now for my Dalaa, 35#-45#-55#. This allows adjustments from 33#-58# with one bow. I shoot off the shelf, just prefer that for now. The bow is not the end all be all, it just does most things better than others. It increases ones potential, doesnt make you a better shooter. As to 3D shoot allowances, well see what they let me do as the shoots start next week. I plan on being at Sisspahah(Near Burilington) next Saturday,with my Dalaa.

Estacado

[northern fisher]

I shot Greybeards at the EOBH here in Brockville Ont.I have to say it was on the boarder of too high tech for me but that is strictly for me.
If you were to ask me if I could say one bad thing about that bow or the way it shot ,I would have to say there was nothing bad about it.It shot smooth,fast and felt good in the hand and I did not find it heavy.
All that said ,I stiil love the feel of a wood riser in my hand.
To each their own.

[bayoulongbowman]

How do you think the bow is priced????

[McDave]

I have the DAS Dalaa in 55#, and agree that it's a joy to shoot.  Shooting a 2115 arrow with a 125 grain point, I seem to get about 177 fps, which is about the same as for other comparable hi-end recurve bows, i.e. my Black Widow.  In other words, there doesn't seem to be any great advantage, if any, in arrow speed.  Is this what others have found?

Price-wise, the bow from Three Rivers is priced somewhat less than my Black Widow, and certainly performs as well.  I would guess that the BW has more work in it, particularly in the riser, since I wouldn't think there is much work to making a Dalaa riser once the design part has been done.  But if your criteria is performance, who really cares if the bow was made by snapping your fingers, right?

[waterone]

I have a DAS Master and it is absolutley dead in the hand, as vibration free as possible and quiet with minimal silencing accessories, far less than what I have had to put on some longbows.

It isn't a board bow, it isn't a Hill bow, it isn't a R/D long bow, and it isn't a high fashion recurve.  

It is a bow, a pure recurve, which provides a significant choice to an archer/hunter to have an excellent opportunity to maximaze their skills and abilities in shooting a stickbow.  It is not for everybody.  Just as an osage selfbow isn't for everyone.

Is it the most expensive bow on the market?  By far it is not. I have seen some high dollar bows that are cut on power machinery that other than finish, I'd bet the DAS bows demand the same level of handiwork.

If you want a bow to hunt with, to shoot targets with, to rove (stump shoot) with, it is a top choice.  But there are other excellent bows as well.

Before you decide yea or nay, if at all possible, shoot one.

[Jake]

Guys,  I have had plenty of chances to shoot the bows at 3 Rivers with all kinds of combos of limbs.  Yes they are very fast and quiet and dead in the hand.  I just can't hit where I am looking with them.  They are just not for me.  They are nice and if they make you a better shot then I think that is great.  I wish I could shoot them because I shot right beside guys that were grouping inside a Skoal can but I just couldn't do it.  They are nice.  Wish you all well.

[McDave]

I bought an Alpine Soft Loc bow quiver to go with the Dalaa.  I haven't hunted with it yet, but it seems like a nice, quiet quiver.  However, when I load the arrows, it tends to slip out of its soft lock holder, and I have to pop it back in before I shoot.  Has this bothered anyone else, and if so, what have you done about it?