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Author Topic: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman  (Read 990 times)

Offline IronCreekArcher

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Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« on: January 06, 2009, 01:50:00 PM »
I was just wondering what everyone thinks about the Muzzy Phantoms in the 4-blade configuration.  Anyone with some experience with them?  Do you guys think the Woodsman would be a better multiple blade choice for a 49 lb set-up than the 4-blade Phantoms?  Thanks for the help guys...
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2009, 02:14:00 PM »
Never tried the Woodsman, but I've shot 4 blade Phantoms for 4 years now. Very sharp, easy to resharpen, and they fly great.

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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2009, 03:03:00 PM »
I always heard that a 4 blade penetrates better through bone than a 3 blade.  Something having to do with a 4 blade breaking the bone on 2axis and the three blade on 3axis. That said I am going to finish this season with Woodsman and save my Muzzy's for hogs a javalina.  Keep in mind I have yet to take anything larger than a javalina with my logbows.
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2009, 03:16:00 PM »
At 49#, I think you'd be better off with a WW...JMHO though...
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2009, 04:23:00 PM »
What Curt said.....
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2009, 04:39:00 PM »
Flip a coin. As long as both are sharp, I doubt you would know the difference in flight and lethality. Or better yet, shoot them both.  :)
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2009, 04:52:00 PM »
My wife shoots 46# @ 26" and a 500 grain Beman MFX shaft with 100 grain inserts and 100 grain Phantom four blades. She shoots thru everything she kills. Back when Fred Bear introduced the four blade Razorhead the average bow weight was about 45# and everyone seemed to be using them without problems.Here she is with her first kill.

 
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2009, 05:01:00 PM »
I hear ya Bill...but those bear heads had smaller bleeders and they were thinner and designed to shear off with little resistance.

The Muzzy's have much larger bleeders and are much thicker and aren't likely to shear away with little resistance.

I feel either would work, and as you know I love 4 blades.....but I'd still preffer the WW out of a bow that light.

He also didn't say what he was going to hunt for with those heads, so I defaulted to what I hunt for most, and I'd definately choose the WW for hogs out of that weight bow.  If only whitetails...either would be fine IMO, but would still lean to the WW.
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2009, 05:04:00 PM »
Stingers....
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2009, 05:14:00 PM »
My Buddy John Bookhart killed 19 pigs this year with a 45 lb longbow and 2020 arrows and 225 grain phantoms plus 4 deer. He killed 23 hogs last year with the same set-up with an occasional Landshark used. All on public land....They`ll probably work on all but the shoulder shots on big hogs. He did kill two hogs over 250 lbs..RC
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2009, 05:15:00 PM »
I will also add that he bought two packs of three when he started using them.He has all six left and did all this critter killing with 4 of the heads.RC
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2009, 05:16:00 PM »
We'll that's a heck of a tesimony RC   :thumbsup:   ...so like someone else said....flip a coin.   ;)
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2009, 05:48:00 PM »
as terry said, the bleeders on the phantoms are huge, almost, if not as wide as the main blade, i cant remember exactly.  the big bleeders are very steep, due to them being wide and short.  they would tend to tear through, rather than thouroughy slicing, and that would harm penetration, especially from a lighter bow.  the woodsmen on the other hand is long, narrow, and can be super sharp, just the ticket for a lighter bow.  for small deer, either, for anything heavier, the woodman, hands down.
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2009, 07:07:00 PM »
I have taken several animals with the WW but tried the 125g Phantom this year and like it a little bit more.  Great flight, no noise or hiss, easy to sharpen, excellent penetration, Huge Hole. Downside - they won't screw into a cedar arrow. Flip a Coin.    ;)
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2009, 07:28:00 PM »
Both fine heads no doubt.Some thought about what Terry said on the Phantoms bleeder being thick. It would probably be an improvement for bows of less poundage if the bleeder was a brittle one.
  I am getting some glue on Razorheads I`m gonna put on some 100 grain steel adapters  and put bleeders in.Should work fine for my 48# bow. I`ve decided to stop hurting the shoulder and enjoy my shooting more.RC
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2009, 07:33:00 PM »
I used Phantoms this year on deer with good result, I shoot 53# at 25" with a 560grain arrow. However that is on soft skinned deer not on some of the tougher animals like hogs or bigger game. Doesn't take a lot to punch both lungs on a deer. But like Terry and Curt stated with other game you may want to try something a little more stream line. I think those fellas have killed enough critters to know what their talking about.   :thumbsup:   Heres a pic of an exit wound from the Phantom.  Joe
 
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2009, 07:43:00 PM »
nice photo Joe,your pretty darn good w/ that camera!
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2009, 08:00:00 PM »
I bought a pack of the 125 gr phantoms and was surprised at how dull they were out of the pack. You can push your thumb against the blade and run it up and down the blade, no worries. If any of you guys want them you can have them. First I want them can have them.
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2009, 08:02:00 PM »
I wouldnt mind trying them out Greg if I'm not to late!

I could trade you for a pack of the new 125 screw in woodsmans if you wanted to try them.
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Re: Muzzy 4-blade Phantoms vs. Woodsman
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2009, 08:13:00 PM »
Jason, I will send them to you. I need your address. PM me your address and I will get them out to you. You don't have to send me the woodsmans. Greg
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