350 up front?

[bentpole]

George   :eek:        :eek:  bring one over and let's see.

[drewsbow]

I been shotin 300 and 400 up front and today started to play with 500 up front and like it.

[manyletters]

Why bother bareshafting if it flew great    Just shoot them!!

[magnus]

where can I find these heavy heads. what kind are they?

[BUCKY]

Mat,3rivers has it all.My field points are 250 grain with 100 grain brass inserts.My broadheads are 125 magnus 2blade with 125 steel adapters. Dennis,I was thinking the same thing.

[magnus]

I glue on heads. shoot woodies. thanks tho Bucky. was wondering if there was a head that heavy without adapters.

[tiur]

Heavy heads, try out the 300xtreem from Morrison archery - real bunker busters.
axis 400-301/4"+ 300gr = 615gr, perfect from ILF or cheyenne 50@28
ASL

[nontypical]

For the last wk been playin wit carbon and likeing the results.I have a BW PAX 50#@29" and put together a CX Maxima 150 @ 31".It has a 150 grn hd,cx insert w/100 grns of wgt screwed into the back of it(goldtip),also a 4" pc. of 2117(39 grn) epoxied to the front.And it flys great and hits hard(593 grns).It also has a cx wgt tube(red),and wrapped w/4-4" fletch.Cant wait to drive that baby thru a deer!! Experimenting is FUN!!!

[elknut1]

It really surprises me you guys hunt with these extreme setups?

  ElklNut1

[tiur]

what is extreme: a quiet bow- stable flight or deep penetration?
All we know is a properly tuned arrow with high FOC ( min 20% ) does achive all above.
ASL

[BUCKY]

My arrow weight went from 484 to 569.This is 11.8 gpp.I'll be doing more testing but I really hope this arrow works out.

[elknut1]

When a guy has a setup that exceeds 225 grains of head weight, well that seems very extreme for deer & elk setups or other critters of that size & toughness!
  It makes me wonder if some have severe penetration issues on like game so they try making this up in over the top setups! To each his own but 300-400 grains up front is truly overkill. (grin)
  It's like hunting deer with a .458 win mag! (grin)
 If I'm just uneducated in thought, then please educate!

  ElkNut1

[snag]

I am of this opinion also Elknut1. I would rather have a little more speed with 225gr. upfront than lobing a lot more weight into the target. I see the impact that my arrows make with 225gr. and I just don't see the need for more weight. Maybe I am missing something. But I think I have a great killing combo as it is. At some point more is just not better. Just my opinion.

[metsastaja]

There is a great discussion going on about FOC here on the board.
 http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=070291

I only got into FOC because I was using OL tuning method and got to his Thoughts on FOC.  Since I had every thing set up I just kept going with adding weight and tuning.  I had always shot 125g upfront with my compound so when I started with Trad bows that was my tip weight up until last week when I added 100g brass inserts for bare shaft tuning and played with tips of 125 145 and 175.  

For kicks and giggles I added another 100g up front. Im now at 325g and tuned in some BH's. They shoot with authority and I like the sound they make when they hit. Front weights of 225 to 325 all group together without me having to change my sight picture.  

I think the best modification was adding the 100g insert which put me at 225g which will be enough weight for anything I hunt.

What will I settle on for hunting? Not a clue. For me this is playtime and shooting time in the backyard and testing what I have read. We are talking about 0.22oz difference between 225g and 325g if my digital scale is correct.

Guess I need to go shoot at some real live Florida hogs and see what happens.

[Gehrke145]

I'm with elknut1 and snag, that being said I have a batch made up and good lord do they penatrate!  Will prob. go back to my 150 grain tips though.

[elknut1]

I hear ya for sure! I without a doubt favor the up front weight. In my short years I've have noticed the better penetration over the lighter setups. I generally hunt with 170-200 grains up front & it seems to work quite nice on elk.
  When I've been shooting 170 grain heads for a few weeks then up it to 225grn for the heck of it, I too notice that respectable thump, actually it's kinda cool sounding! (grin)
  I've personally settled on a total arrow setup of 540grn with 175 grain of head weight on a 2018 at 57# out of a longbow. It hits with authority with a 3-blade SnufferSS.

  Thanks for your info!!

  ElkNut1

[bentpole]

I have to see for myself.     .Don't know if I would want all that extra weight at the end of my arrow on a 3-D course.   :eek:   I would consider it for hunting though.I guess I'll stick to my 220 grain Muzzy Phantoms and practice with my 190 and 250 grain field tips.

[BUCKY]

Shot today and was very pleased with the results.This arrow flies great!It was also very windy here in NJ today which made it a better test.Now I know I'll get flamed for this but I'm not even going to bare shaft this arrow.I shot it at 30 yards with both a field point and broadhead.I'm sold on this heavy FOC.

[BUCKY]

Tom,we'll shoot Sunday.

[O.L. Adcock]

You guys are tying total arrow weight and FOC together, they are totally independant. To get XX FOC on a given shaft, if it's heavier then you want, you need to use a lighter shaft.....O.L.