350 up front?

BUCKY · February 14, 2009, 03:29:00 PM

The results at 25 yards.

O.L. Adcock · February 14, 2009, 03:57:00 PM

No biggy Elknut1..

....Guys the way bows work, if you were to double your arrow weight, you'd lose 25% of your velocity. So going up or down 10-20% in total weight doesn't make much difference in trajectory. A big part of the higher FOC's, tho lower FOc's will fly or tune well, they aren't as forgiving to our mistakes. Screw up a release the same way between high and low, you may still miss, just not as far cause the higher FOC's corrects faster. The fletching has more leverage....O.L.

katman · February 14, 2009, 06:10:00 PM

I also find I shoot better groups with extreme foc, just another reason to use them. It also allows you to use less fletch (higher lever arm as OL stated) lower profile, so the arrow is quieter in flight. I could never get use to the noise from a 5" shield, man its loud in flight. Take an extreme foc arrow with the Adcock fletch and turbulator and you have one heck of a setup IMO.

metsastaja · February 14, 2009, 06:26:00 PM

I certainly see and appreciate the difference of my arrows flight and my grouping has certainly improved. 225 up front is going to be my minimum it is giving me an FOC of 15 based on total length.

Recurve50 LBS · February 15, 2009, 09:16:00 AM

Hey Bucky,

I don't see the need to use that much weight up front since your just shooting at Jersey White Tails not Cape Buffalos. If you what to shoot arrows with a rainbow trajectory like an artillary shell then go ahead. But don't wonder why your shooting 5 yards short into the dirt when your deer is only 25 yards away from your stand.

You would be better off IMO to spend more time practicing shooting your bow with a lighter weight up front, use a 2 blade broadhead and take the time to sharpen them till they pop hairs off your arms.

That Thunder Sitck Mag you have realy zips an arrow. Take advantage of a flatter trajectory shooting a lighter arrow, not a heavy arrow with a trajectory that lobs your arrows into your intended target.

BUCKY · February 15, 2009, 09:38:00 AM

Larry,ask Tom they don't hit the dirt at 25 yds.

Recurve50 LBS · February 15, 2009, 09:56:00 AM

Bucky,

Your drawing 48#'s with your TS Mag. I'm drawing 3#'s less than you with my TS Mag. I know with my bow any weight more than 180 grains up front and my arrow trajectory starts looking like a rainbow. I just think you'd be better off with the flatter/faster arrow with a hair popping 2 blade head than a head weight of twice that ammount that arcs through the air like a rainbow. Again your hunting deer not cape buffalos.

bentpole · February 15, 2009, 10:00:00 AM

George maybe we can set up a day to get together and show Larry and Reiner.

Reiner said he's sorry he bought those 125 grain Muzzy Phantoms instead of the 220 grains.

I told him to get some 100 grain inserts and he would be set. Larry didn't I give you some weighted inserts a while back? Carbons alot different than aluminum for sure. For our shooting of 20 yards and under there isn't that much difference in flat flight.

It's up to the archer/ individual as to what he wants to shoot, is comfortable with, practices with,. What ever floats your boat.

BUCKY · February 15, 2009, 10:12:00 AM

Look at my pics.Those are in my yard at 28 yds,no dirt on those heads.

metsastaja · February 15, 2009, 12:04:00 PM

I just ran my CE 250's through my Pro Chrono.
the 125 and 225 are cut to 30"@11g per inch. The 325 is 30 1/2" @ 11g per inch. What I find interesting is that the 225g is faster then the 125g.

I have reran the chrono test 3 times and the results are consistent using 2 blade broadheads shot from 6 feet through the chrono.

125 up front 158
225 up front 164
325 up front 153

bentpole · February 15, 2009, 10:14:00 PM

The 225 up front would be my choice! Thanks for the info.

snag · February 15, 2009, 10:46:00 PM

I tried bareshafting some CE Heritage 250s today. I put 100gr inserts in and screwed in some 250gr. field tips. I cut them down from 29.75" to 29" and they are still showing weak. I might go down to as far as 28.5" to see if I can get them to work with this weight. At 29" 175gr tips with the same 100gr inserts tune perfect. Just trying to see what would be the max weight I could use with these. I'm surprised that with all that weight there isn't much difference in the tradgetory from the 350gr vs 225gr(that I usually use) upfront weight.

Mo. Huntin · February 16, 2009, 02:09:00 AM

I'm corn fused you can't possibly pickup speed by adding 100 grains to the front of an arrow can you?

metsastaja · February 16, 2009, 11:40:00 AM

I got my 250s at 30" with 100g brass insert and a 125 tip. I can not go shorter due to draw. great flight and best speed. I think I lucked into finding the proper bow arrow combo. I think these will do fine for deer and hog.

I may try some 350's with higher front weight later.

metsastaja · February 16, 2009, 02:05:00 PM

MO Huntin.

I am just as confussed as you. I think perhaps more then anything else I just hit the best combination of bow and arrow tuning. I rechecked setups several times and have shot several more times. I keep getting the same results.

frassettor · February 16, 2009, 02:31:00 PM

Boy....I shoot a tip weight of 260, and then a 100 brass insert in my arrow....They fly fine

wihill · February 16, 2009, 07:56:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by frassettor:
Boy....I shoot a tip weight of 260, and then a 100 brass insert in my arrow....They fly fine

Not out of my 60# Bear TD, we had to drop the point weight down to 125 for a total of 225 - :p Those things still hit like a sledge hammer though.

Douglas DuRant · February 16, 2009, 09:10:00 PM

I suspect the reason the 125 was slower than the 225, is the arrow is loosing speed in recovery because it isn't tuned as well as with the 225 head.

I have been using 360 up front (counting brass insert weight) on gold tip 55-75s they are killer and fly very well. The total arrow weight is a bit more than 600grain. They do drop a bit more past 20 yards, but no big deal since I feel comfortable shooting out to 35 yards with them.

BUCKY · February 16, 2009, 10:11:00 PM

I've noticed at 28yds my 566 arrows drop about 2" compared to my 481 arrows.That doesn't bother me since my max shot at a deer is about 20yds or less.At that distance there is no drop with the heavy arrow.I've shot more the last 3 days then I have in a long time.I can't believe how nice these arrows are shooting.The important test was with my broadhead and that shot just as good.

metsastaja · February 17, 2009, 08:51:00 AM

Douglas
I have been shooting trad less then a year and this was my first time trying OL method and having the ability to just try everything. I had never gone above 125g up front even in my 10 years of compound. I would have said the 125g were fine if I had not read all the posts on upfront weight and FOC and continued to tweak. For now I am sticking with the 225 up front. They are the ones touching fletch at 24 yards. the whole group is about 6". Of course shooting a couple hundred arrows has not hurt either.