Well, my dad had a bear grizzly in the early sixties, then he, like everyone else bought a compound. then he had rotator cuff surgery and so he bought a crossbow. and he has been hunting with the crossbow for about 8 or 9 years. and today we went to a local arcchery shop so i could get some more carbons for my savanah, and he sees a bear montana for sale, knowing i have been wanting him to try a trad bow, so we can shoot together, and since he used to shoot trad he knows how much fun it is, he gets them to string it up and while i'm outside bareshafting some eastons he walks over there with the montana and grabs a few of my 2018s (which are a tad stiff for my savannah, but perfect for that monanta) and starts shooting, and he wasn't doing bad either. so he buys the bow (mean while a silent celebration is going on in my head). and we go home and spend most of the afternoon shooting.