Anyone shoot regular carbons with standard weight tips or is everybody frontloading?

[Partagas]

I have been shooting some of the 200-250 grain fp and broadheads but needing to get some arrows for my dad 55# Hatfield and wanted to keep it simple for him without the extra brass inserts and trying to find or make heavy broadheads with steel inserts etc.

Was thinking of trying to use the much more common 125 grain heads like the magnus stingers, snuffer, etc.

Thoughts?

[greenie]

From my experience its really worth using the brass inserts. Cons- expence. Pros-quieter bow,moreforgiving arrow flight, better pentatration, better arrow tuning+ personally I think its better for your bow to shoot at least 9grains per pound. Thats hard to do with carbons without wieghting them. You have to glue something in the end of the arrow anyway.

[vtmtnman]

Originally posted by greenie:
From my experience its really worth using the brass inserts. Cons- expence. Pros-quieter bow,moreforgiving arrow flight, better pentatration, better arrow tuning+ personally I think its better for your bow to shoot at least 9grains per pound. Thats hard to do with carbons without wieghting them. You have to glue something in the end of the arrow anyway.

x2

Why would you want to use light weight anything?Trad is all about tossing sledgehammers.  

[wapitimike1]

AXIS or FMJ 500s 28.5 with 150 up front. The arrow comes in at 500 or so it's deadly. It's worked fine for me.

[sweet old bill]

If you want to keep it simple and just add some weight, I got 25 ft of 3/8 inch poly rope, cut it so it was a 1/4 inch longer than the shaft length and install the poly rope thru the nock position on easton 500 size powerflight shafts.

gets the weight up to right around 500 gr at 29 1/2 inch length. does not change the spine of the shaft etc...

I do have several archers that do not add the insert weight of 50 or 100 gr weight, but they also have higher poundage long bow in the weight range of 60 to 65 lbs. they say it does not seem to make much of a difference to them, they also are using  muzzy 125 gr BH....


Bill

[griz#1]

400 fmj 31" with phantom 125

[Friends call me Pac]

I'm shooting 30" CE 150 shafts with a inch and a half footing made from a 2017 aluminum arrow.  My broadhead is a 125 gr Magnus 2 blade.  My insert is the standard one that came with the arrows.  With the broadhead and footing my tip weight is around 145 gr.

My bow pulls 51 pounds and shoots these arrows very well.  Just had to bareshaft tune them and get them the right length.

I just weighed my arrow on my reloading scale and it weighs 491 gr.  That comes out to 9.6 grains per inch if I'm doing the math right.

These arrows weigh 18 gr less than my standard aluminum arrows that I killed my two deer with last season.  I don't see any problem with the next deer provided I have a sharp Magnus on the buissness end.

With 509 gr aluminums I had 1 complete pass through and one partial.  The arrow was sticking out the other side by about 16". My 491 gr carbons should do the same.  Best of all I am using the same 125 gr broadhead just like you are asking about.

[A.S.]

I'm shooting Carbon Express Heritage 90's with 125 or 145 points (depending on the bow) for a total weight of 385-405 gr.

These come in right at 8 gpp for my setups. They are fast and zip right through deer and stick in the dirt on the other side.

I don't hunt any game larger than whitetails with this setup.

[James Wrenn]

I only front load carbons as far as broadhead weight.I like big broadheads so most are heavier than the typical 125gns with aluminum adapters added.I don't add weight to any arrow just to be doing it.Never seen any reason for it with the game I hunt.

[Terry Green]

I use stock Arrow Dynamics...with stock aluminun inserts...and 175 grain head 90% of the time.....total arrow weight 580.....and I don't have any problems with penetraition with 3 and 4 blade bheads.

Been shooting the stock shafts for 7 years since leaving the stock aluminums....and been shooting the 175 grain 4 blades for 25 years.

[trad_bowhunter1965]

all I do is use a 130 gr 11/32 Broadhead adapter and 125 gr 11/32 glue on fieldpoint epoxy them and = 160 gr I do the same with Broadheads.

[joekeith]

I'm shootin' the AD HammerHeads now.  Love 'em.  They're tough, heavy enough, and shoot out of all my bows fine.
  I leave 'em full length, use the inserts that come with 'em, and shoot 125 grn. heads. That gives me about a 580 grn. arrow that shoots good and hits hard.  I also shoot 160 grn. Snuffers without any problems.
  Try them, you'll like them......  

[R H Clark]

I never front load.When I want a hunting arrow I use Carbon Express Heritage because they are heavy enough.I also shoot the screw in 125 Stingers with regular inserts.If your dad draws 28"or under the 150 should work or longer try a 250.

Start testing full length and cut only after you have confirmed your findings by going up and down in point weight.

[Jeff Strubberg]

I'm currently using CX250's with a 3GPI weight tube and a 145 grain head.  57 pound 29 inch draw.  No special inserts or anything.  Total arrow weight is around 580 grains.  Could probably get away without the weight tube, but my longbow picks up a little noise without them.

Easy, quiet, hit like a hammer.

[SlowBowinMO]

You certainly don't have to front load.  There are some advantages to doing so but it's subjective.  The front loading practice developed since most of the initial carbons were too light, and too stiff, for most stickbows.  That has changed, carbons are now more readily available which will allow you to build an arrow most any way you want.

I'm a front loader though, I like heavy arrows.

[WestTnMan]

It should work. Just get some carbons that are .500 spine and leave them full length with 125 gr out front. Start shooting and trimming until they fly right. I did the same thing with my new batch of arrows. I wanted to shoot 125 gr. points and broadheads so I did the above until it worked. I did need a 50 gr brass insert to get it right though.

[sethdiggs]

I shoot full length gold tip 3555, (30.5" from nock to the pack of the point.) I use a 145 grain field point and will be using a 150 gr Woodsman to hunt deer next fall. The arrows come out to about 410 gr, which is about 9 gpi for my setup. I might add 50 gr brass inserts in the future for a little more weight but the arrows are flying fine for now.

[swampbuck]

Check out the recent muskox thread it's a good read and basically shows that a 480gr arrow will put down pretty much anything that walks on this continent

I put that weight arrow thru several before going trad only then slipped it thru a few more.Been front loading lately mainly because my homemade heads came out at 250 but I like the way it feels and sounds when I shoot the heavier set up which goes right thru too

good luck

[Jason R. Wesbrock]

Anyone shoot regular carbons with standard weight tips or is everybody frontloading?

I've never had the need to front load carbons or add weight tubes. 125-grain heads and Flightmate adaptrs have worked well for me on everything I've killed with them, up to and including bull moose.

[Dartwick]

Im front loading. There plenty of advantages and no disadvantages so why not.