I shoot a slammer with both 48 pound and 59 pound limbs. No hand shock, excellent speed, real flat shooters and soud identical to me. However, even with 10 gran per pound of draw or better and even with Leon's own string, my bows are still "punky". I guess they are not real lound, but I have shot long bows that are so dead quiet the slammer sounds pretty loud to me. That said, even teh 48 pounder really spits an arrow. I know guys who shoot Black Widow bows and they seem as loud or louder and I think the Slammer is a better bow. Widow shooters don't seem to have a problem killing deer, so I guess the noise in "my head".
I still think they are loud bows.
Bob.