Maineac, he's correct about the education system here; people on the forum usually work hard to raise their kids, but what I've seen from 35 years teaching them is that many, many parents-usually from the `burbs-don't spend much time with their children. They'll turn `em over to playstations, tv, and poor teachers (and I've known a TON of them) while they chase the new car, ski boat, fancy vacation, etc. That was when the economy was doing fine. Now, they're too busy chasing the bucks to keep all that junk. They don't even take the time to know their neighbors. Add "pc" to that mix, especially at a school, or in my case, a University, and most won't have a clue what the real world's anything other than "Free Willie". Thank God I'm a country boy!!!