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Author Topic: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????  (Read 470 times)

Offline snag

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Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« on: June 23, 2009, 03:06:00 PM »
I bareshaft tune my arrows. I get them to shoot great. Why then do I need to fletch them with 5" feathers? If I go to 4" is it important to use 4 fletchings or can I still shoot 3? Once again if my arrows have great flight why use 4? I know the fletchings help stablize the shaft quicker and in the wind....but isn't three 4" feathers enough? Or am I pushing it too far?
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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2009, 03:18:00 PM »
Snag ,
I think I get better flight from three 4 in. feathers than 5 or 5 1/2 because of less fletch contact with the shelf . Ive got arrows fletched with 4 ,5 , and  5 1/2 and I dont see any diffrents in accuracy at all with points or broadheads . If anything the 4 in. are faster and at least to me seem to fly better .

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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2009, 03:21:00 PM »
My friend just went to 3"x3 with great results, after years of 3"x5, most have way to much fletching on there arrow.

I shoot 3"x4 with a 250-315 grain broadhead.

 "I know the fletchings help stablize the shaft quicker and in the wind..." it's the opposite, a bare shaft would fly the best in the wind, the wind blows the fletching and the arrow off course.

If you have a high EFOC you don't need much fletching, as the weight forward multiples the steering of the fletching.

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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2009, 03:32:00 PM »
I shoot 4x3" low profile shield cut and have great arrow flight plus it keeps the spine more true and makes for a faster setup. I won't ever go back to any other style there's just no need as long as they are tuned properly.

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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2009, 03:38:00 PM »
Simple answer, "insurance".

Not for day to day fair weather shooting, more like misting rain, damp feathers and the "0h crap" factor when shooting at a critter.

But that's just one guys opinion.

Everyone generally shoots what they want until they find a reason not to.  Sometimes that reason will haunt you for life....

As for bare shafting, that's great!  Tune 'em to the best of your ability.  However, a broadhead can do things to your arrow flight that a target point doesn't.  You can correct with pretty small fletch but I like a little fudge factor built in and medium to large fletch boost my confidence.  That alone is worth a lot.  If slight speed gains from smaller fletch boost yours, maybe smaller fletch is best for you.
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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2009, 03:45:00 PM »
It all depends on the broadhead you are using as well. You don't bareshaft with a broadhead for good reason. I tried 3-4" but with the Snuffers I shoot I got better flight out of 3-5 1/4". Never tried 4 fletch. Never needed to I guess. Maybe I should. Anyhow, fletch one up and see how they fly with BH. That may make your decision easier.

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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2009, 03:54:00 PM »
I am with Dave on this......on a black bear hunt back in the late '80s or early '90s I set thru a downpour. I HAD coated my feathers with fletch-dry powder, but I guess with the 30-45 minute drenching it must have washed off. Had a bear come in after the rain stopped and the sun popped out and got a shot. The arrow kicked, whipped and flew sideways, smacking the bear, with no penetration to speak of. Was using 4-4" parabolic feathers. My buddy set thru the same storm with big ole banana fletch and shot a nice bear about the same time I scared/educated mine. Now maybe I'm superstitious, but the 5.5"x3 has worked well for me as have 3 blade broadheads, so I am content to stay with them.....BUT it is whatever works for you and what you have confidence in. Good luck! Mike
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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2009, 04:16:00 PM »
Back in the 60s my friend made me up a dozen MicroFlight arrows with 3-4" straight offset shield cut feathers.  He burned them at 5/8" height and assured me they would stabilize a Bear Razorhead just fine.  They did and I killed a lot of deer with that set of arrows.
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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2009, 05:22:00 PM »
Snag, I am shooting some 4 inchers out of my new Miller string follow bow my buddy Fletcher built to tune the bow and using a 160 head they fly great.I have one with a 190 Grizzly on it I am going to shoot this week if it cools off some. I have always shot 5 inch as well but maybe changing.Flint

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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2009, 05:48:00 PM »
I guess it would depend on how well your arrow is tuned, the dimensions of your broadhead, etc. as to what will work best for your setup.

I think I just need to try some 4"ers and see how they work for me.

Thanks for the thoughts guys.  David
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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2009, 05:49:00 PM »
Im sorry but if youve shot a bare shaft any kind of distance in any kind of wind, you'd see without feathers the direction would radically change.  There is nothing "steering".

I shot one recently in the wind at 20 yards.  It ended up 80 yards out in the field and never touched the target when it was dead on half way.

I cant answer your question for you. Only you can.

But... Please allow me to add food for thought.

For me two or three things come to mind.

1. What is it exactly youd GAIN by cutting back on fletching? (BTW 4, 4 inch isnt cutting back, its roughly the same amount of surface area as 3, five inch.)  

2.Feather clearance? Some kind of feather contact is WHY we shoot feathers. Want less for some reason? Put on an elevated rest of your choice. Or maybe just take a better look at your set up, no offense meant. It's just that 5 inch seems to have worked super for a long long time.

3.More speed? How much? 1-2? fps maybe?  Is that really going to make an iota of difference? And do you stop there or go to straight fletch, release, etc? 10000 people online will tell you that those give you more speed as well.


Then....what are you RISKING?

A longer time might be needed to stablize your arrow for good penetration?

Slower recovery on a poor release, slight arrow contact with a leaf etc?

I'm not saying a tight helical four inch feather wont work but is just enough...."enough"?

I'm old and stuck in my ways but...it "aint broke" so I "aint fixing it".

If I am to err, I choose the side of stability. In the "heat of the shot" I rather doubt I do it all "correctly" and if extra stability counters for a poor release....I have enough respect for the animal to use it...always.

The draw of traditional archery and hunting FOR ME, is to "use what has worked for decades and decades", regardless of the speed, regardless of the distance I must be at to shoot something humanely, etc, etc.

Simply put......the old ways. How old is up to each and every one of us and I will defend your right to do so.

I for one, have no "need" to question a lot of the ways our trad forefathers did things....I only wish I could do them half as well.

Some like to "tinker" with everything. Nothing wrong with that, but the four inch thing??? I am willing to bet the ranch that 50 years ago someone else thought the same thing, yet the five inch feathers OR BIGGER are the norm after countless animals taken.

I'd like to think that decades of others hunting with trad equipment has filtered the best of most ideas to us.

Helical fletching, two blade head penetration superiority, and (no offense to those that dont agree) heavier arrows are examples of a few.

and PLEASE....I mean NO OFFENSE, even if I am poorly adept at wording things correctly.

Less fletching "works" but what are you gaining, and at what risk?

Too many I see in threads are always talking "when shooting 3D". 3D equipment is not at a living breathing creation of God.

Please dont confuse your "findings" shooting 3D with hunting situations. Almost nothing is the same except both are shot with trad equipment.

Only you can answer a question when doing so. What risk am I taking and is it worth it?

If you feel there is nothing lost and you have somehow gained something, go for it.

Some here will offer other opinions and I'm glad they will.

FOR ME.....I'll take the old "tried and true" and love using it.

 Ill not get into a debate but do appreciate the opportunity to offer my 2 cents.


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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2009, 06:18:00 PM »
Steve, no offense taken. I am just thinking about why I use 5" when 4" might be better..just tinkering with the idea. Not wanting to mess with tradition or mess things up. Is there a "risk" to shooting 4"? I don't know. That's one reason I asked the question. I have gone from wood to carbon and back again, to more FOC, now I am thinking of 4" feathers....wrong direction...some would think so. I am just exploring options and asking for your experience. Thanks for your input.  David
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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2009, 06:37:00 PM »
snag, try different configurations and don't worry about what someone else thinks.  I'm sure these same discussions took place in 1943 and 1953, etc., etc.  

If you are looking to pick up a little performance, you may want to try 3-4" parabolic and see how they work.  I can tell you they work great with Bear Razorheads and similar two blade models.  I shoot 5" because I can see the arrow better in flight.

If you want to enhance performance for 3D or stump shooting, then fool around with some 3" feathers.  It's really up to you.  An if a person decries that, they are clueless about our sport.

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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2009, 06:46:00 PM »
The other thing is I can get 2 4" fletchings from a full length feather.
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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2009, 06:52:00 PM »
I use 3 4" feathers to shoot snuffers and treesharks.I use 3" feathers for most other broadheads.If your arrows are tuned you can stick your feathers in a bucket and the arrow will still fly true at hunting distances.If it does not you are not as well tuned as you thought you were.  ;)  Big feathers are not insurance,good tuneing is. jmo
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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2009, 07:41:00 PM »
Kind of along the lines of my thinking James.
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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2009, 07:57:00 PM »
I assume you are shooting field tips Snag. Your broadhead may or may not need more support. Give it a try though. I've done it in the past, but always seem to go back to 5"
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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2009, 08:09:00 PM »
I like big feathers so I can see them in flight.
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Re: Why aren't I shooting 4" feathers????
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2009, 08:18:00 PM »
Yeah, I may end up right back where I started! But I do like to try some things and see if they are worth keeping or not.

TJ, I'm thinking of both field pts. and broadheads.
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