I like Lone Wolf stuff a lot when I get them at the right price used, but my Ol' man would climb way larger trees. I don't use climbers much any more. I still have a Gorilla that is like the ol' man design, but with a few improvements I like plus light weight aluminum seat frame and base. I pack my assault to my stick ladders now. That is faster and way quieter to set up for hunting private land. I just move the stick ladders around if needed. Summit has a huge following and I know many people who love them.