Wolf or Coyote

[JoeM]

Drew great pics and post.  Just wondering,I spoke with a biologist once about the mythical Coydog at a town meeting.  I asked if there was such a thing as I have never seen one with my own eyes yet just about every local in the small town I used to hunt claimed to have.  He told me there is no such animal, and then put forth this challenge to the crowd show me a dead one or a pic.  The crowd was quiet!! He proved his point. I still to his day have never seen a dead on or a pic.  A lot of you guys have more knowledge than myself.  But can anybody produce a pic or something?  I'm not challenging anyone just curious, I would love to see one if they really do exist. I have heard and read some about the red wolf theory. Joe

[artifaker1]

Drew, good stuff, but that probably isn't a coyote in the pic.
I done some work with archeologists and I've pressed them to investigate the dogs that were with early humans, in order to track the early humans movements. And they tell me that they can't really tell the difference between wolf and dog DNA. Not to the degree that they could prove anything scientifically.
The other thing is that wolfs have a really picky ritual that they go through to breed. If it is a pack, only the alpha pair breed. And they tend to hate coyotes and kill them on site. Breeding between wolfs and coyotes would be unusual to say the least.
But with the way things are so screwed up nowadays anything could be possible although the dog thing is very likely, especially husky's or malamute that already have wolf in them.

[Recurve50 LBS]

I e mailed the pics to a fellow Trad Ganger. Maybe he could post the pics for me. Like I said before I'm very computer stupid.

Wow this did turn into an interesting thread. I'm learning a lot. Thank you

[suzie_shooter]

a friend of mine here in IL shot what he thought to be a big coyote. when he got to it he found it to be a wolf. the state wardens told him he could keep it until feds came in to see it. needless to say they took it and the next year in our hunting and trapping regulations digest they devoted a whole page on not shooting a wolf.  they said its dna matched wolves from Minnesota and that it had migrated all the way down to
pike county IL.

[Don Stokes]

It's thought that the Southern red wolf was diluted out of existence from cross-breeding with coyotes. Some years back a remnant population was thought to exist in the Louisiana swamps, but it's likely they're all gone now.

[jimmerc]

Drew, Now there's a couple very nice back quivers waiting to be made! I made this one this past winter! This was a small eastern female!


 

[Gordon martiniuk]

go on you say a 100lb coyote I dought it I have seen 55lb coyote up here in alberta but a 100 lb is a cross of some sort mabe Germanshepard ?   :p    

[svenska]

coyotes out here in Wa. are very small..maybe 35# max, but look bigger with all that winter hair. Usually making about 40 knots if you slow to take a look at them, 80 if shot at.

[Lone archer]

There is a place in South Salem NY that is breeding the RED Wolf soon to be released in the Southwest.  www.nywolf.org

[Lone archer]

After visiting that sight I could see how they are similiar to the big coyotes we have around here.

[Shleprock]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coydog

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Wow Drew. Great picture. Wolf in that bloodline for sure.

I have never seen a coyote much bigger than 40 pounds. My nieghbor shot a HUGE one a couple years aago, and we wieghed it on his buck scale. 32 pounds if I remember right.

I would love to see a documented 75 pounder. Not doubting anyone, but that would be an amazing thing.

[Chris O]

what an interesting thread! I love tradgang! Thanks to everyone contributing.

[recurvericky]

Eastern North Carolina has a thriving population of Red Wolves. They were introduced many years ago by the US Fish and Wildlife. Farmers are being paid not to shoot the wolves. They are paid so much for each cow killed by the wolves. The Red Wolves weigh around 70 lbs. The locals were quite upset when the gov't first talked about releasing the wolves.

[Brian Krebs]

web page  

 Coyotes have been found to have high levels of growth hormone; from eating livestock; and the newly discovered habit they have of nursing cows.
 It is believed the increases in size of the coyotes are due to the high levels of hormones due to the large quantity of milk they 'steal' from cows.
 ( see link)

[ed]

The top photo is a grey "timber" wolf.  The dead dog on the right in the bottom picture is possibly a wolf pup or small female.  The one on the left appears to be a wolf.  Do you have any better pictures?  Looks are decieving.  Wolves come in many colors.  Some reddish or "coyote" colored to coal black.  I've killed "big " coyotes in Western and eastern Nebraska, pushing 50-60 lbs but 100 pounds, no way.  State biologists are usually so full of BS you can't believe a word out of their mouth.  We have always been told that there were not mountain lions in Nebraska but in 2005, Cherry County Chief Deputy Sheriff watched a female cross the highway and collected a hair specimen for DNA.  Guess what, mountain lion.  2006, Guy near Spaulding, Nebraska shoots and kills a confirmed grey wolf while calling coyotes.  Send me better pics to [email protected].

[Talondale]

Originally posted by Don Stokes:
It's thought that the Southern red wolf was diluted out of existence from cross-breeding with coyotes. Some years back a remnant population was thought to exist in the Louisiana swamps, but it's likely they're all gone now.

They were captured and used as   breeding stock.  .  They were reintroduced to NC, near Roanoke Island where the Lost Colony was/is.

[Buckeye Trad Hunter]

The reason that the state biologists are so full of BS and state officials always say they don't have species that you know you've seen with your own eyes is all about money.  If they don't admit the species is in the state then they don't have to alot money to manage it.  this is also the reason why there is usually an abundance of a species when it is admitted by the state.

[limbcracker]

Here in minnesota we have a lot of wolves and coyotes, and up north they commonly trap and shoot what they call "brush wolves" which our DNR biologist have said the confirmed by DNA testing to be a cross between grey wolf and coyote. I shot one a couple of years ago that went a little over 50lbs, there have been several reports of ones around 100. Maybe they are 3/4 wolf, who knows. The DNR hear seems to be OK with taking them if they have coyote markings. Our full grown wolves commonly go over 150 and hav very long legs, so even that 50lber I shot could have walked right under a full grown wolf without having to duck much. Kirk

[josef2424]

Here in Hancock county, SE Georgia we have a bunch of coyotes that are dark orange. Some of them almost appear red. People in the area think they bred with a dog of somekind and that coydog theory would seem to back it up. I posted a video on huntingfootage called orange coyote that shows one of the redish coyotes with a smaller, normal colored coyote following it.