I had one I've been waiting to see make the right choice Saturday evening. Came across to me at 20 yds to my right and moved at a perfect angle with the trees to block my shot. The whole thing, including watching him lay down two scrapes, then watching four does come out and pee in them, took about 40 minutes. I'm getting to old to hold onto to hope and have my heart racing that long! He's a beauty of a 12 pt, great mass, real tall main beams, but average tine length. Probably go mid 150's. One of them "Just in Case" deer. The kind that keeps you from shooting something else "just in case" he shows up!