Phantom sharpening question

[sswv]

I have bow hunted for MANY years and have sharpened a load of broadheads but man do these Muzzy Phantoms have my number. They are not shaving sharp out of the pack and I'm just not use to hunting with a head that's not. They shoot great for me but what in the heck can I do to get them shaving sharp?? I've tried about every trick I know and I'm about ready to head out to the garage and fire up the 'ol bench grinder so any advice will be welcome.

thanks in advance

[waknstak IL]

I am severely sharpening challenged. I bought a KME sharpener and still couldn't get the phantoms to shave. I called Ron at KME and he told me that the phantom blades flex real easily and I was probably using too much pressure on them. He walked me through the process over the phone and within 3 minutes I was shaving my arm bald. Hope this helps.

[KentuckyTJ]

Yep, I shot the Phantoms for a few years and the blades do bend when sharpening. They are actually the reason I bought my first KME. Very light pressure is the key for them.

[Morning Star]

Another vote for the KME.  I've never been one to trust factory edges, so I just reworked all my Phantom's.  Scary sharp is a good way to describe them.

I could tell it took a bit more work than say a magnus, must be a pretty stout stainless.  I'm betting they hold an edge better than most though.

[sswv]

thanks for the advice gang!      I'll ease up on the pressure a bit and see what happens.

[mark land]

Phantoms also have a steeper angle to them more like 30degrees then the standard 20 so you have to angle the blade edge in more to the sharpener.  They are a very hard SS and require a little more to get them sharper, unless you are just honing them.  Take a marker and touch up the edge and use your sharpener, you will be able to tell where you are taking material off and adjust your angle from there.  We worked with Klawhorn Industries to make us a Redi-Edge sharpener with the proper angle for use with our Phantoms and just a few light strokes and they are popping hairs.  It is a new product for us for 2010 but is available now.  Works great and I am definitely sharpening challenged.  Mark

[Biggie Hoffman]

Yeah me too.  So far I've been able to touch mine up with just light strokes on a butchers steel. They sure get sharp!

Guess I'll have to get one of the new sharpeners in case I ever mmmmmmmiss and need more than a touch up  :-)

[Brian P.]

I didnt have alot of luck trying to sharpen them either. They fly great though.

Just ordered my sharpener from Muzzy's website. Hopefully it will be the ticket to sharp heads.

BP

[waknstak IL]

Another suggestion Ron made was to drag them lightly backwards across some brown cardboard a couple times on each side. I am still amazed at the difference that little trick makes.

[Longbowwally]

Mark knows his stuff!
I too was not happy with the edge on these heads out of the package. I bought a KME to sharpen them and could not get the edge I wanted with that either, using the 'normal' 22 - 25 degree range settings. Then I used a magic marker on the edge and found that I had to set the KME at 30 degrees to get the edge I was looking for. I've killed one deer with them so far this season and am very impressed. Think I'll order one of those sharpeners Mark mentioned to speed up the sharpening process....

[Jeff Roberts]

The new sharpner Muuzy has does the trick for me. You can also use it to sharpen the bleeder blades without removing them from the broadhead. I leave my heads in the arrow to sharpen. Just four or five strokes and mine were shaving.

[Arrowslinger]

I agree, the sharpener Mark's talking about works great.  Makes quick work on those heads.  I hope to run some through something at Blackbeard in a couple of weeks.

[sswv]

thanks again for the advice. I did the marker trick and picked the angle up a bit and it's working a lot better now. still not as easy as the others I use but with effort they'll shave.

thanks again  

[joebuck]

send to me...seriously...i'll put them on my Alaska Bowhunting Supply Griz Wheel.. Muzzy steel is very high quality for BH and will get Razor Sticky sharp

[bama]

Every one of them I have bought shaves right our of the box and is easy to resharpen on my KME broadhead sharpener.

[sswv]

thanks for the offer Joe and for all the advice gang. I have'em all shaving sharp now but it sure wasn't easy. I think that sharpener Mark spoke of is the way to go. gonna have to get one soon.

best afield to all  

[Biggie Hoffman]

I just got my sharpener....it's the ticket.
Doesn't take much and light strokes are the key.
I just cut myself  :-)

[billy shipp]

I ordered the sharpner yesterday. I have a few heads that need more than touching up. I have the KME sharpener, and it works great, but the Phantom bleeders are a pain to remove, so maybe this sharpener will solve that problem.

[Bill Turner]

Glad to hear someone else has a problem removing the Phantom bleeders. I'd be surprised if someone has not suffered a serious cut trying to remove them. An accident waiting to happen.  

[Biggie Hoffman]

I had a little trouble at 1st but now I slip them right in and out. I just sharpened some with the new sharpener on the head. Tricky but it works.
There was a video on here somewhere....????