Originally posted by George D. Stout: Yep...same China that took the men's bronze medal in the 2008 Olympics, and the women's gold medal. Most Asians are very good at manufacturing...especially bows and guitars, not to mention cars. I would think there would be seconds when tooling up to make any arrow shafts; the problem is someone thought it was okay to sell them to the public. I'm not sure I would put all that on the Chinese 8^). And...you can probably buy good firsts from other manufacturers for the same price as seconds Grizzly Sticks.