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Offline mustoffa

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heavy arrows
« on: October 30, 2009, 08:32:00 AM »
hi .it seem to me everyone like shooting heavy arrows.i know you get better penatration with them but they fall alot faster and every time i read a arrow chart it alway gives you the heavier arrow.whats you opion
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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2009, 08:34:00 AM »
800+ for me (and that is non-e-foc).
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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2009, 08:54:00 AM »
Mine run 680 to 720 grains.  If you practice with them your mind will learn the drop and compensate for it no matter how much or how little.
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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2009, 09:32:00 AM »
I shoot a 42# @ 30" Blacktail TD and it likes a 32", 2215 aluminum arrow which weighs 619 grains. It's very flat shooting out to 20 yards with very little drop. I think it's very flat shooting because most of the weight isn't in the point weight like with wooden and carbon arrow shooters. It's spread out over the entire length of the arrow.

A 2215 aluminum shaft weighs 10.7 grains per inch (32" times 10.7 grains equals 342.4 grains), the RPS insert weighs 30 grains, broadhead and broadhead adapter weigh 215 grains, super uni bushing weighs 9 grains, the Super Nock weighs 13 grains and three, 5" parabolic feathers weigh 9.6 grains.

Since the heavy weight is distributed over the entire length of the arrow, instead of just at the tip with many wooden and carbon arrow shooters and with the long working limbs on my 66" Blacktail, with it's 19" riser, it casts this heavy aluminum arrow with lots of speed and very little drop at 20 yards. My FOC is 17.5% and it also gives me 14.73 grains per pound.
Blacktail TD Recurve: 66", 42# @ 30". Arrow: 32", 2212. PW: 75 Grains. AW: 421 Grains. GPP: 10.02
Blacktail TD Recurve: 66", 37# @ 30". Arrow: 32", 2212. PW: 75 Grains. AW: 421 Grains. GPP: 11.37

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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 10:33:00 AM »
I shoot a 610 gr. finished carbon arrow out of 62# recurve. I'm just at the 10gpp. at my drawlength, but I have 250 gr. of that weight in the front with broad=head and insert----makes a very good flying arrow and lots of penetration so far!

Practice with what you are going to hunt with---your mind will adapt to that arrow and you won't have to think about the drop any more than you would for any other arrow----your previous practices will come into play and your "internal calculator" will take care of the rest.

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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 10:45:00 AM »
I shoot a 586 grain arrow with 275 up front for an efoc 22.4%.  It is shot out of a 55lb - 68 inch reflex / deflex longbow.  I am singing them out there at 160+ fps.  This gives me 10.66 gpp.  I also have some 653 grain arrows that I hunt elk with that are running 145 fps.  I don't shoot at animals past 20 yards so the flatness of trajectory doesn't mean much.  Penetration is what concerns me on larger animals or when a shot ends up marginal.  Speed is great for 3D and Antelope.  Penetration is far better for most big game.  I hunt bear, and elk every year so I prefer a heavy arrow.
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Offline Raminshooter

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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 11:17:00 AM »
Like Joseph says,  you get used to the flight and the drop in tragectory in time.  If you get your heavy shafts tuned just right for your bow you don't even miss the speed aspect.  I shoot 680-725 grains out of 57-62 lb bows myself.
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Offline Paul WA

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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2009, 11:46:00 AM »
I'm shooting 596gr out of 53# LB and the more i practice the more I figured out the drop, feel very comfortable out to 30 yds...PR
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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2009, 12:36:00 PM »
625gr for me 2219 @ 28 1/2 in with 175 up front.65lb longbow hh and a 62 lb curve
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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2009, 03:04:00 PM »
Like most have already saied,your brain will adjust easy to the trajectory and anyway I don't have any issue with heavy arrows versus lighter one up to more than 30yds.But much more benefits in penetration,quietness and maybe on accuracy too.I mostly miss sending my arrows too high.A low miss is a clean miss a little too high hit is a wounded deer or elk, end of the hunt,tracking frustrating bllod trail
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Offline Jim Wright

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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2009, 03:28:00 PM »
Tried different weights, settled on 12 1/2 grs. per lb. draw wt. with Toelke Whips, 11 1/2 with Toelke D bows. Same 166-168 f.p.s. and a better "feel" at the shot, super quiet and great penetration. With ring finger anchored on an upper molar my "point on" is still 36 yds, to me there's nothing not to like

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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2009, 03:31:00 PM »
I shoot a 48@27 widow PL and my arrows are right at 600 grains. Thinking of going to a slim 3 blade and drop arrow weight to about 525. Right now I`m shooting BIG 2 blades.RC

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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 04:06:00 PM »
I'm right on 700gn from 62 & 63# bows. Don't really notice the drop too much, but my mind has compensated, so it's not even an issue.
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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2009, 04:16:00 PM »
I am shooting a 680 gr arrow with 300 gr out front out of a 61# longbow that is pretty flat out to 25 yards or so...any further than that I might as well let 'em walk anyway. The equipment will do it but the shooter can't  :)
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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2009, 07:37:00 PM »
I think it is worth adding to this discussion the aspect that there is a big difference in the "noticeable" speed of your arrows (when shooting heavy arrows) when you are shooting a "target face" versus just stump shooting.  When stump shooting I don't notice at all that my arrows may have more trajectory because they seem to "get out there" no matter what distance I am shooting at.  Personally,  as an instinctive shooter,  I try never to shoot at traditional stationary target faces (circles) because I am convinced it is just so different from what I encounter while hunting (stump shooting) that it is a form of practice I can do without.
In the spirit of full disclosure I would also add that although I shoot 680-725 grain arrows from bows in the 60 lb range I also use a 10 strand fast flight string with most of my bows.  And yes,  as my handle indicates I shoot "Ramin" shafts almost exclusively because they almost never break!  I know that many have tried using them and I want to thank all that have tried and stopped trying to work with that material because not only has it kept the cost of that material down for me but has also kept the supply generous.....so thanks again!
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Offline Chris Wilson

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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2009, 08:42:00 PM »
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Originally posted by mustoffa:
hi .it seem to me everyone like shooting heavy arrows.i know you get better penatration with them but they fall alot faster and every time i read a arrow chart it alway gives you the heavier arrow.whats you opion
I haven't shot an arrow weighing over 450 gr. for several years now.  Penetration hasn't been an issue.
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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2009, 09:16:00 PM »
Nah, that heavy arrow stuff is just hype. 100 grains or less, that's the ticket!

 

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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2009, 09:21:00 PM »
I went heavy this year - up to 480gr from 410.
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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2009, 01:12:00 AM »
71-72 lbs @ 31-ish inches

850 grains with 29.3% EFOC @ 172 fps.
995 grains with 31.2% UltraEFOC
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Offline jerseyboy

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Re: heavy arrows
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2009, 05:26:00 AM »
how is everyone getting such heavy arrow weights? I cant seem to get more than 450 with my setup. Im shooting 45lbs @28" with tapered cedars that are dipped,sealed,crested and im using 125 grns woodsman heads. Even if i go with a 190 grn head that doesnt even get me close to the 600-700 or even higher range that some of you all talk about.Please enlighten me i would like to get up to 550-600.
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