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Author Topic: Some are harder on the soul  (Read 1287 times)

Offline pharcher

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Some are harder on the soul
« on: November 16, 2009, 09:41:00 PM »
I dont exactly know what it is but every once in a while I harvest a deer that will weigh more heavily on me than the others. I am very serious about the taking of life and feel all of it should leave its mark upon you. I harvested a doe tonight with my old browning cobra1 my first with that bow and for some reason I am remorsefull of my decision to harvest her. I dont have a reason or explanation. I had no reservation before the shot. It was the momment that I came upun her in the stillness that I realized it. I am ever so thankfull of my harvest and am happy for sure but for now I think I will spend some time with this feeling in honor of that little doe. Would love to hear some of the other thoughts on this.
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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2009, 09:51:00 PM »
What you feel is inside of you because of who you are.
Some people live an entire lifetime and wonder if they have ever made a
difference in the world, but the Marines don’t have that problem.
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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2009, 09:56:00 PM »
I hear ya...

Some hunters never feel a thing, but I have always felt a certain "seriousness" when walking up to a deer I 've just killed, even while feeling satisfaction or elation if its a big buck. How anyone couldn't be affected by the finality of killing something, I 'll never know.


But I choose to take responsibility for the meat I  eat, so its a necessary part of the activity/philosophy I stand by. And I  enjoy hunting.

A lot of hunters feel what you feel. Only a few dare express it.

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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2009, 09:59:00 PM »
Congrats on your harvest..I don't believe in killing any creature for the sole purpose of killing it... if im not eating it or making use of it ..then its free to roam in my book. Do what makes " you " feel best.  In my book you took a critter with a stickbow and you should be proud of your accomplishments..
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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2009, 10:03:00 PM »
I feel it on every deer I kill!  Sometimes I don't shoot because I don't feel right killing "that deer".  That being said I don't care what deer gives me the opportunity with a bow, i'll fling an arrow in it's general direction. I still need to get my first with a bow.  

I killed a nub buck that was wounded last year, it bothered me to kill that deer even though it was probably the best thing for it, still bothered me.
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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2009, 10:24:00 PM »
As I have gotten older I feel the post harvest sorrow more and more. I certainly have passed on animals just because I did not want to shoot them even though I could have. But that said each new hunting season brings the yearning to go afield and enjoy the hunt again.
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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2009, 05:11:00 AM »
Different things for different hunters - no right or wrong. Personally the day I ever start feeling remorse or sorrow will be the last day I hunt. I don't need to look for negatives - they can find you on their own.

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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2009, 05:26:00 AM »
Im agree with elkken on this one.
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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2009, 06:06:00 AM »
Yep, Ken nailed it for me as well.

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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2009, 06:14:00 AM »
A.S. What are doing up so early your not going hunting are you.  :biglaugh:
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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2009, 07:24:00 AM »
parcher,
I agree with Joshua & elkken. The taking of any life is serious and should be treated as such.
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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2009, 07:28:00 AM »
I think many of us can strongly relate to your emotions, parcher.  As elkken said, sometimes I just watch the deer feed around my blind and I let them pass...can't seem to will myself to shoot them.  And other times, I feel that strong desire to either fill my freezer or fill the freezer of someone else and I aim and shoot without reservation.  On every occasion, however, that my action leads to the death of an animal, I feel a wash of both gratefulness and remorse.  I honor the animal with my silence and a prayer, thanking God for the opportunity to be a full participant in the cycle of life and for the ability to truly apprecaite the life that was given.

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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2009, 08:14:00 AM »
Great post!  Couldn't agree more.

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Offline Bill Carlsen

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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2009, 08:18:00 AM »
I used to teach Biology in an earlier life. All life forms depend on some other life form loosing its life for it's own survival. There is no getting around that. I could go to the store and get my meat but hunting with a bow  makes if more real, personal and honest. When my wife kills an animal she almost always cries afterward. She is a nurturer by nature so killing is alien to her but she recognizes and accepts the hypocrisy of those who eat meat and look down on hunters. The feelings we all feel are part of being human, the urge to kill and the sorrow of having taken a life that often follows. We can choose to kill our own meat or we can have someone do it for us. There is no getting around the fact that we are all part of the circle of life and in order for us/me to survive something else must die for our/my own survival.

The other side of the coin is remembering how an animal will die if it dies a "natural" death. Hit by a car, starving to death in a harsh winter, being killed by another predator, becoming sick and being unable to fend for itself, getting old, loosing one's teeth and not being able to forage, feed or whatever. Nature's way of killing is not always kind and not always swift. Death by any well placed arrow is extremely less cruel than what nature has in store for them and even much more humane than what the meat industry has in store for the poor animal's remains  we see in the market.

MY point is that the way we have to survive was set up that way by our Creator.....life comes from death.....or, conversely ...from death comes life. In our society and culture we have a choice as to  whether we want to be directly involved in our own survival by farming, gardening or hunting ourselves, or by letting someone else do the "dirty work" of the killing, butchering, etc., for us.

This Thanksgiving, Laura and I will celebrate and give thanks that day by cooking and eating the first wild turkey I have killled with my bow. The meal will have much more personal sentiments involved than if we went out to eat or if we bought a Butterball. We know the meat will be organic, we know how hard it was to killl (took more years than I care to think about) and the bird actually performed its ultimate role as a prey species and mine as a predator.

There are always mixed feelings when we take an animal, but gratitude trumps them all.
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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2009, 08:21:00 AM »
I used to teach Biology in an earlier life. All life forms depend on some other life form loosing its life for it's own survival. There is no getting around that. I could go to the store and get my meat but hunting with a bow  makes if more real, personal and honest. When my wife kills an animal she almost always cries afterward. She is a nurturer by nature so killing is alien to her but she recognizes and accepts the hypocrisy of those who eat meat and look down on hunters. The feelings we all feel are part of being human, the urge to kill and the sorrow of having taken a life that often follows. We can choose to kill our own meat or we can have someone do it for us. There is no getting around the fact that we are all part of the circle of life and in order for us/me to survive something else must die for our/my own survival.

The other side of the coin is remembering how an animal will die if it dies a "natural" death. Hit by a car, starving to death in a harsh winter, being killed by another predator, becoming sick and being unable to fend for itself, getting old, loosing one's teeth and not being able to forage, feed or whatever. Nature's way of killing is not always kind and not always swift. Death by any well placed arrow is extremely less cruel than what nature has in store for them and even much more humane than what the meat industry has in store for the poor animal's remains  we see in the market.

MY point is that the way we have to survive was set up that way by our Creator.....life comes from death.....or, conversely ...from death comes life. In our society and culture we have a choice as to  whether we want to be directly involved in our own survival by farming, gardening or hunting ourselves, or by letting someone else do the "dirty work" of the killing, butchering, etc., for us.

This Thanksgiving, Laura and I will celebrate and give thanks that day by cooking and eating the first wild turkey I have killled with my bow. The meal will have much more personal sentiments involved than if we went out to eat or if we bought a Butterball. We know the meat will be organic, we know how hard it was to killl (took more years than I care to think about) and the bird actually performed its ultimate role as a prey species.

There are always mixed feelings when we take an animal, but gratitude trumps them all.
The best things in life....aren't things!

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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2009, 08:23:00 AM »
I hope I would be concerned if I didn't feel some remorse at the loss of life. I'm not positive the feelings I have has anything to do with my killing it. I have experienced similar sad feelings at the sight of deer killed on the roads, maybe even a little more for those because I have the added feelings of those as mostly wasted meat. I say mostly wasted because some of it will provide a meal for other meat eaters.

I am very grateful for all that is provided to me by my "Maker".

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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2009, 08:40:00 AM »
pharcher,

I appreciate your posting greatly. I ahve felt this all too often, some times more than others, bucks and does both.  Celebrate your humanity man!  

Thank God you you feel this way, you do not take killing lightly.  I know one think that has helped me is every time I take a deer, I talk to it.  I know it sounds silly, but I live in the timber and I feel a deep connection to it.  I thank the deer for its body and I promise it I will do all in my power to use it to help my family.  I Try to respect hte deer in all I do.  I put leaves, or alphalpha, ect fromt he spot it died deep in its mouth as a last meal gesture.  I make sure I butcher it as completely as I am able.

I know it sounds weird, but you are correct, at times it can be hard on the soul.

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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2009, 09:15:00 AM »
You have a true hunters heart. JMO

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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2009, 09:56:00 AM »
It's called being human. We all justify what we do in our own way. There are days when I've had deer within 5 yards, yet I don't shoot. Something inside tells me when it's o.k. When I know what that is, I'll tell ya. I will tell you that there is a small prayer said over the animal when I do take one.

I believe everyone's desire or need to take an animal diminishes over time, but the memory of the hunt never will. A good example is to watch any of those hunting videos with Michael Waddell. Very few people get as worked up over an animal as that guy, but over the years, I've seen his focus change a little bit. He seems to take more joy in spending time with family and friends afield now. He still gets fired up, but he gets more fired up about his kids or wife having a sucessful hunt, than he does about his own. I think he had the most fun of his life taking his dad on an elk hunt. His dad didn't get one that year, but you could see how happy he was to have him along.

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Re: Some are harder on the soul
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2009, 09:56:00 AM »
Your Feelings Prove that You  HAVE  a  HEART , and I agree "Every Kill should remain with You" out of Respect for the Hunt  AND  the Animal. It takes a Pretty Jaded & Cold Individual to  NOT  have even a "Pang" for the Kill.  "NOT"  a "Guilt-Trip" but just a "Pang of Remorse".   :thumbsup:  
  Makes  YOU  Human, and Bless You for Saying So!! You are Not Alone My Friend.  :archer:    :goldtooth:
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